dumping the clutch is when you let the clutch out very quickly. unlike letting it out slowly when loligagging around on a Sunday afternoon.
and weight reduction will help when you have a lot of transfer of weight happening. such as hard acceleration off the line and very aggressive cornering. but, when you are already rolling along at 70 mph then the only thing you have to contend with is air resistance, and a lot of it. that is when high horsepower is required to overcome that air resistance. not sure what the CD of an Evolution is, but it looks to me like the front of an 04 Cobra should be more aerodynmic. and you have the higher horsepower, so that gives you the advantage.
remember, these Evo's and STI's are designed from off road rally cars. lots of quick stops, aggressive sharp corners and bursts of acceleration from near stops. the Evo MR is the closest you will get to driving a real rally car on the street.
I've been told by many that because of the AWD of the EVO, I'll never win off of the line. People claim the the Cobra would spin the tires, and the EVO will just launch due to AWD.
Downshift! most def thats your first problem. Sorry I know your getting tired of hearing this just another suggestion. Whenever you race an Evo or Wrx from a stop, the evo usually willwin(depending on mods). Race him from a roll and your gonna have a better shot. The all wheel drive gives them so must traction those things are like a bullet coming off the line. Drop it from 6th to 3rd next time your cruising and show him what a supercharged V8 sounds like!
ok first of all ur COBRA as way to much TORQUE 390 to 289 than that EVO not to mention HP, from standings he will leave u just because of AWD but after that ur car will catch him an rape him... ive seen those 03/04 COBRAS beating the crap out of 03/04 Z06's.
I've been told by many that because of the AWD of the EVO, I'll never win off of the line. People claim the the Cobra would spin the tires, and the EVO will just launch due to AWD.
if the Evo driver knows how to launch his car properly, then yes, you will lose out of the hole. but, don't let that deter you from trying. he has to rev high and hold there because it takes more torque to get all four of those wheels going. and those Evo guys know they can't do a whole lot of high rpm clutch dumps that return the fast 0-60 mph times.
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if the Evo driver knows how to launch his car properly, then yes, you will lose out of the hole. but, don't let that deter you from trying. he has to rev high and hold there because it takes more torque to get all four of those wheels going. and those Evo guys know they can't do a whole lot of high rpm clutch dumps that return the fast 0-60 mph times.
Brent, constant "Clutch dumps" can result in broken half-shafts right?
on an Evo, yeah. that and transmission and transfer case woes too. I have only seen one Evo blow his transfer case and that was on the autocross track. But, I have read a few stories where an STI lost his shafts from doing these kind of launches.
I haven't heard of many Cobras splitting their axle from hard launches. but, I am ignorant when it comes to the 03 and 04 Cobras and their IRS dependability.
funny fact on the STI's. when I was in Texas, the Subaru dealers would give you a free 1 year membership with SCCA so you can autocross your new WRX. But, if you raced it you would void your warranty if you broke anything. LOL! talk about a catch 22!
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on an Evo, yeah. that and transmission and transfer case woes too. I have only seen one Evo blow his transfer case and that was on the autocross track. But, I have read a few stories where an STI lost his shafts from doing these kind of launches.
I haven't heard of many Cobras splitting their axle from hard launches. but, I am ignorant when it comes to the 03 and 04 Cobras and their IRS dependability.
funny fact on the STI's. when I was in Texas, the Subaru dealers would give you a free 1 year membership with SCCA so you can autocross your new WRX. But, if you raced it you would void your warranty if you broke anything. LOL! talk about a catch 22!
So let me get this right, the sheer torque of launching 4 wheels causes more wear and tear than a two wheel launch right?
I have a friend who broke his half shaft and Ford wouldn't cover it. So he had to shell out the money to fix it. Also, in the latest edition of 5.0Mustang and Superfords, the Shelby squares off against the Cobra. On a side-by-side launch, the Cobra snapped a drivers side half shaft. I'd had to be a Subura owner! Lol!
on an Evo, yeah. that and transmission and transfer case woes too. I have only seen one Evo blow his transfer case and that was on the autocross track. But, I have read a few stories where an STI lost his shafts from doing these kind of launches.
I haven't heard of many Cobras splitting their axle from hard launches. but, I am ignorant when it comes to the 03 and 04 Cobras and their IRS dependability.
funny fact on the STI's. when I was in Texas, the Subaru dealers would give you a free 1 year membership with SCCA so you can autocross your new WRX. But, if you raced it you would void your warranty if you broke anything. LOL! talk about a catch 22!
So let me get this right, the sheer torque of launching 4 wheels causes more wear and tear than a two wheel launch right?
I have a friend who broke his half shaft and Ford wouldn't cover it. So he had to shell out the money to fix it. Also, in the latest edition of 5.0Mustang and Superfords, the Shelby squares off against the Cobra. On a side-by-side launch, the Cobra snapped a drivers side half shaft.
So let me get this right, the sheer torque of launching 4 wheels causes more wear and tear than a two wheel launch right?
if you were to look at the front wheel drive shafts, they aren't that big in diameter. one of the first mods done to Evo's and STI's is increasing the boost. One of the last things is having beefier shafts installed.
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Evo's & Sti's are pretty quick but I have found that once im over 100 mph I leave them in the dust. I miss a shift once & STILl beat his A$$ !! When we both pulled up at the lite he said " you missed a shift & you still kicked my A$$" AMAZING he said!
and weight reduction will help when you have a lot of transfer of weight happening. such as hard acceleration off the line and very aggressive cornering. but, when you are already rolling along at 70 mph then the only thing you have to contend with is air resistance, and a lot of it. that is when high horsepower is required to overcome that air resistance.
Between these two cars, weight plays the biggest factor as to why they are even comparable. Why do you think the Z06 is so fast compared to the GT500? It's not horsepower, and it's not torque. It's because the Z06 weighs 800lbs. LESS than the GT500. With the extensive testing in wind tunnels and use of CAD software for aerodynamics in production these days, air resistance is no longer considered to be a factor when comparing the performance of two vehicles except for top speed figures. Next time you go out and romp on your GT, bring 3 of your buddies with you, get up to 70mph, and then kick it. You'll see what I mean.
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as many others have said if you would have downshifted to even 4th you would of beat him, your car was probably crawling at 80 mph in 6th but now you know for next time.
and evo's and sti's can get great launches but even if they launch pretty good the 03/04 cobras can still run them down, also about damaging evo's and sti's both will break if the driver does alot of launches at 5,000 rpms or more and if they try to get it fixed it wont be under warranty, sti's transmissions fail alot because of this.
anyways you have a terminator so learn to drive that maunal and you will see most cars will have trouble beating you
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thinking about...vt stage 2 blower cams, vt stage 2 heads, built rear, forged bottom end, baer brake kit and kenne bell...or still might sell for a 03/04 cobra before i do anything major to my gt
RE DUMPING THE CLUTCH: your vehicle makes more HP at higher rpms, so when you give the car gas with the clutch engaged, then suddenly release it, it puts alot of HP to the wheels and will accelerate a lot faster, but with a rear wheel drive car you will just spin the tires.
with good drivers, the 04 cobra would outrun a evo assuming both are stock.
I recently traded a modded '05 Evo for a seriously modded '03 Cobra so I'm in a good position to respond to this thread.
One of the reasons I dumped the Evo is it's got nothing up top. On the dyno it made the same hp as my buddy's Viper but from 80 on up it wouldn't be a race. Not even close.
If you lost it's either because you didn't drive or because the Mits was severely modded.
