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Old 11-15-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Question Does a CAI & Tune void your warranty?

I need a final answer here... we've been at odds in this house over this... I waffle on this, I can see both sides. My husband insists it does....

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I belive it will.
But with a hand held tunner you can re-flash your computer back to the stock settings when it's time to go to the dealer. And it wont take to long to switch over back to the stock air box
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Ive been told that starting in the 07 model year they can tell how many times your computer has been flashed They can compare that to the dealer log of how many times Ford has reflashed it. If you have more flashes on your computer than in Ford's records it voids.

Not positive this is true but this is what I was told at my local speed shop. Thought Id pass on the info.
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I just finished training at UTI with FORD FACT elective, we discussed this very issue. The CAI you can let slide as long as it is not the cause of a drivability problem, the tune however erases the factory parameters in the PCM and replaces the values. The Ford IDS scantool is very advanced and shows how many times the vehicle PCM has been updated, and a "tune" is counted as an update which can be accessed to read the specific parameters. This is much harder to ignore if vehicle comes in with a drivability concern, this WILL void your warranty if it is found to be apart of the route cause and 9 times out of 10 it is. The only exception is if you use Ford Racing Parts ordered and installed by the dealership, then you are able to retain the full balance of your factory warranty. If you have a friend at the dealership then maybe you can get around all of that stuff. Good luck hope that helps.
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Just an intake...no will not void the warranty UNLESS it is the direct cause of an issue...I ised to own a '01 Exlipse GT and had it modified pretty good and always got crap frpm the dealer when I took it in for minor stuff...Like to change the intank fuel filter.....

I was given a link to a website that had a lawsuit about a guy who's car caught fire and burned...while not being driven...and the factory claimed it was because of the extensive modifications and the insurance company went with the factory..I think he had aftermarket exhaust, intake, spark plugs(denso iridium), aftermarket plug wires and fuel rail and a bunch of other bolt on stuff... the insurance company refused to give the guy money for his car because of the factory's findings...the guy did some research and found that there was a recall for the car because there were reports of his same year and model car catching fire on the east coast....he tok this and sued the factory and overall won....The factory said that any modification voided the entire warrany because of all the issues cars were having so on and so forth...The result was that the court ruled in favor od the guy...In the state of california they say that if any issue with the car is directly caused by a modification the warranty id voided but only for that part.....like if you swap out suspension parts not by the dealership and the car is damaged in some way they aren't going to void the engine section of the warranty...I think the suit was like Mcpherson vs California or some crap....do a search and you should find it...

I printed this out and carried it in my car for when I took it to get worked on...If I got any crap I showed them this and nothing else was said....
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check with your dealer, they should be able to answer you and, it might be expensive, but if you have them install and tune it it should not void your warranty.
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Some will and some won't. Best to ask you local dealership or just take the CAI off and put the stock tune back in. It has to be something serious for them to check your pcm or sometimes if they have updates, they might install that on your car but that will suck.
My friends 02 Mustang GT was denied warranty work on his tranny at one dealership due to him having an X pipe. Does that sound like it would have messed up the internals of a tranny? of course not. They usually try to get out of all and any warranty work. But, some are cool and will honor it cause they're not dickheads and know that your CAI didn't cause your rear end gears to pop or your fuel pump to stop working. I could understand if you put a CAI and a tune that was horrible that made you run super lean and it crapped your engine. Also i've seen where a dealership will put a SC on your car and warranty it. but only at that dealership. if you take it somewhere else they might tell you no though you have proof that Ford installed it. It's weird how they work.
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On the trucks they have a learning curve if you flash the ecu you have to drive it a few days before it will go back.I'm not sure of the cars are the same or not.
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hey all,

Long time lurker, first post. I was also really worried about the same thing (aftermarket parts voiding factory warranties), so I did a little legal research in my spare time after work this last week.

while it's no new groundbreaking info, I can say with 100% certainty that as long as the modification didn't cause the problem, the dealership would be required by law to honor their warranty. Not only that, but if they do claim that your aftermarket stuff caused the problem, the burden of proof is on the dealership. They have to PROVE that the aftermarket part caused the problem, and if they don't or can't and still deny you warranty work, then you have grounds for a lawsuit.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Magnuson-Moss Act is a set of laws enacted mainly to protect consumers.

"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty"

This specific line has apparently been used in many a legal case regarding warranty work and aftermarket parts to great success for the consumer.


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The Magnuson-Moss Act sounds good and sounds like it's on your side, but mention it if they deny your warrany and alot of people have said that they either just get pissed off and don't want to help or they laugh at you and walk away. I haven't heard anyone mention that they said something about the Act and the dealership got worried and said okay. Like one post I read before, someone mentioned the Act and a guy there at the dealership said "go ahead and take it to court, Ford has deeper pockets than you do."
The Magnuson should help out more than it does and the dealership should respect the Act, but they really don't.
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many many lawyers (the good ones anyways) who work automotive consumer cases work solely on a contingency basis, so Ford's "deeper pockets" wouldn't mean squat. Wrong is wrong, no matter how much money you throw at a problem, and cocky dealerships that screw over consumers sometimes lead to 6-7 figure settlements. Just in punitive damages alone, someone who actually had the "eggs and bacon" to take something like that to court with a competent lawyer might be driving around a Shelby GT500 instead of their '05 sixer after the case was decided.

Regional managers are the "cost versus benefit" bean counters, and realize the above. Sometimes moving up the chain is the easiest way to get things settled. If that doesn't work, a letter from a law firm stating that if the situation isn't remedied outside of court, legal action will be taken, often times lets the dealership know that you're not going to roll over.


Bottom line, Magnuson-Moss Act is on your side. Don't just take my word for it, feel free to show your husband online legal documents stating so.
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The Magnuson-Moss Act sounds good and sounds like it's on your side, but mention it if they deny your warrany and alot of people have said that they either just get pissed off and don't want to help or they laugh at you and walk away. I haven't heard anyone mention that they said something about the Act and the dealership got worried and said okay. Like one post I read before, someone mentioned the Act and a guy there at the dealership said "go ahead and take it to court, Ford has deeper pockets than you do."
The Magnuson should help out more than it does and the dealership should respect the Act, but they really don't.

Ford "did" have deep pockets!!!
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many many lawyers (the good ones anyways) who work automotive consumer cases work solely on a contingency basis, so Ford's "deeper pockets" wouldn't mean squat. Wrong is wrong, no matter how much money you throw at a problem, and cocky dealerships that screw over consumers sometimes lead to 6-7 figure settlements. Just in punitive damages alone, someone who actually had the "eggs and bacon" to take something like that to court with a competent lawyer might be driving around a Shelby GT500 instead of their '05 sixer after the case was decided.

Regional managers are the "cost versus benefit" bean counters, and realize the above. Sometimes moving up the chain is the easiest way to get things settled. If that doesn't work, a letter from a law firm stating that if the situation isn't remedied outside of court, legal action will be taken, often times lets the dealership know that you're not going to roll over.


Bottom line, Magnuson-Moss Act is on your side. Don't just take my word for it, feel free to show your husband online legal documents stating so.

Screw the gt500 I'd get the gt-40!!
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Good luck trying to get the dealer/FORD to admit that your intake WASN'T somehow to blame for your possible problem.

Legally they can't completely void your warranty.....can you afford to fight them if you needed to??

I'd stick with FORD parts until your warranty dries out or until you just don't care.
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I know that I'm the new guy on the forum so I'm not trying to start any contention this early on, but Ford dealership doesn't have to "admit" that your aftermarket part didn't cause the damage. They have to "prove" that it did. The burden of proof is on them.

I realize just how many people are saying that they're going to "wait until their warranty expires" before adding aftermarket parts like cold air intakes, better exhaust, etc etc. I'm hoping that with a little information people wont be so afraid to go ahead and do the things to their cars that they want to.


As soon as my legal case is over with my current car I just bought a couple months ago, I'm planning on laying down a couple K on an '06 white 4.0L Mustang with 28000 miles myself. Trust you me, that sucker will be running stock for only as long as it takes me to drive it home. Within a year and maybe some change, I plan on sticking a S/C on with aftermarket suspension etc. All of this within the warranty period, because I'm fully aware of my legal rights as a consumer.


Whether it be car parts or a fridge you bought, consumer law isn't there to protect the big companies with millions of dollars to throw at the legal case. Consumer law is there to protect the Average Joe who is living paycheck to paycheck. Throw one dollar at a case or 10,000,000$ at a case, it doesn't matter. Right is right and wrong is wrong, no matter how expensive the suit is on the other side of the courtroom.
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