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Old 01-28-2008   #31 (permalink)
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by custom it means fitted to your car...if you are going with an exhaust set up and he doesn't have h pipes then he has to fabricate one for you..that means its custom...no biggy just have him do it..
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oh aight i thought he meant he customized the h pipe itself. well they have the stuff there im sure, i asked and supposedly they do, if i have a camera or somethin to record it with ill post it somewhere and ill keep you updated tomorrow
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by the way he is talking it sounds like he wants louder sound which is why he was talking about going no cats..
well it would be loud if thats what you mean, but he better like poor mileage, bad emmissions, and low torque.
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how much difference are we talkin about in torque and how bad would it hurt my mileage? emissions, well thats hopefully not my generation's concern haha.
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well it would be loud if thats what you mean, but he better like poor mileage, bad emmissions, and low torque.
ya there is a slight difference in torque loss...Ive never actually seen a dyno to show what the loss is so I couldnt say but having driven both a mustang with and without cats I can't really see a huge difference in low end rpm...I dont think emission laws are strict in Alabama but he would have to check that...
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I dont the exact amount of torque loss or mileage, but you can ask shinerstang or kscoyote they'll both tell you about having no cats.
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well im headed to the muffler shop now so ill try to get a video clip of it as soon as i can
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Cool keep us posted
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its done, sounds pretty daggum good if you ask me. and all of my friends, have been sayin how good it sounds. they sure did screw up the bumper though cutting out holes, it looks terrible up close. but the tailpipes look great sounds great, oh and does the car vibrate more once the cats are cut or something it feels like its rumbling more at stops. and the mil eliminators arent on yet so the service engine light is on
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I asked if you would like an explanation of how and why a "H" pipe is necessary and you said "no thank you I understand" Could you let us know what the function of a "H" pipe is.
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I asked if you would like an explanation of how and why a "H" pipe is necessary and you said "no thank you I understand" Could you let us know what the function of a "H" pipe is.
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In a nutshell the point of the H pipe is to equalize the pressure. It is supposed to allow for more efficient scavenging of exhaust from both sides of the block. If you would like a more extensive definition let me know and I could do a write up for you..

Is there a particular reason you keep calling me out?? Are you trying to prove your smarter than me? Good for you, you probably are smarter!
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I asked if you would like an explanation of how and why a "H" pipe is necessary and you said "no thank you I understand" Could you let us know what the function of a "H" pipe is.
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Check out the firing order of a V8 too. I think something like the 5th and 6th cylinder fire off at almost the same time, while the 1st and 4th do also. Without a cross over the exhaust would sound choppy. The V6 doesn't have cylinders that fire off at the same time, so you don't really need a cross over.
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I am not trying to single you out at all .
And hear is my hand to you,

I asked if you would like an explanation of what the "H" pipe is for and that was a honest question, You said no thank you , that you under stood , I just wanted the people to benifit by your explanation.
Equalization of pressure is a very slight thing that happens in a "H" pipe. And that only happens in V8s.

In engines, each firing of a piston creats a pulse of exhaust from the time it leaves the exhaust valve right up to the exhaust tip. The pulse is intteruped by the number of degrees between the firing of pistons, That is easy to see on a distributor cap , ( the space between each spark plug wire on the cap)
On V6 motors the pistons fire on the left then right then left then right and so on and there is a space between the pulses so there is no back pressure issue.
On Ford V8s the pistons fire left, right ,right, left, right, etc. This Right , right firing creates back pressure. While traveling threw the exhaust system which the "H" relieves the excess pressure for the two pistons firing right after each other and exiting from the same side on the engine's exhaust. The 4.6 Ford V8 is the worst, It fires Left, Left Right, Left ,Right, Right, Left, Rignt, which fires two piston on the right and then 2 pistons on the left creating a even bigger need for a "H" pipe.

Now lets talk "X" pipe, V8s and V6s benifit from this pipe.
In either motor,as a exhaust pulse enters the "X" it's back pressure gets cut by 1/2 , because the pulse now has two exit pipes to chose from.

So if you have a V6 get a "X" pipe not an "H" pipe. If you have a V8 also get a "X" pipe , but a "H" pipe will work and at least one or the other is very nessesary.
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Good information guys.

What I would suggest though is that if folks have information to give, opinions or facts, that they just give it. It is often easier that way and no one feels like they are being called out on things. Then we all can discuss or learn from the information being presented.

V6's have some issues that are not quite the same as it being "just a smaller V8"... it is not. And getting the correct information is crucial in making an educated decision for our vehicles.

But again, thank you all for participating and your input into the discussion.
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i got an h-pipe yesterday on my v6 and im happy, it wasnt but 150$ for everything so... good deal except for the poor bumper work.
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