[ugakw06]

i'm getting ready to order the pypes beast exhaust system (with x-pipe) off of ebay just had a few questions before doing so. I'm trying to decide if i want to get the one with the three inch tips or not. I deffinately think i would like it more but it says it requires a gt bumper. true?even if i can hang them with the v6 bumper is it going to make installation harder? i don't have a lift so i'm going to have to get 4 jacks to be able to work. is there anything i should look out for when installing and anyone who has ordered this off of ebay is everything i need sent with the set up? I've read something about the 02 sensors needing extensions. should i buy some extensions just to be on the safe side? any help or comments would be greatly appreciated as this is going to be my first shot at this. how does every one like there pypes exhaust set ups? again...thanks for any help, advise, or comments!! -uga

[jgt58]

if you don't have a lift , I highly recommend you take it to the exhaust shop and have them install it. Too may things that can go wroung if you do not have a welder and no experience. They say that you have to have a GT bumper if you bolt it on. If you have a shop weld it up , they could adjust for the bumper clerance needed.

[ugakw06]

sorry to bring back an old post but i've been out of town for the past week. if i decide to take it to the shop to have the system installed is there a better way to go? should i just have them build an exhaust and i choose the mufflers? i was thinking this may help on price and possibly performance. i want more sound but my first concern is performance. i don't want the sound without reason if you know what i mean. what should i ask the shop to do for me? i want the max performance gain i can get from a dual exhaust. the entire exhaust will have to be replaced due to a rust problem. the manifolds are fine and actually newly replaced but everything else will have to be replaced in the switch to the dual. any ideas on what to ask for? i know a little about exhaust but not exactly whats going to help and will be the best for my money. thanks

[MineralIronHors]

A few weeks ago my dad and I put on the Pypes violator cat back for a gt. We had an adapter kit that required the cutting of the y-pipe and then attaching the h-pipe adapter. It took us about 8 hours on a Saturday when we used 4 jack stands. If you don't have a buddy to help hold stuff up while you get the hangers in place, i think an exhaust shop would be your best bet. Also, i hope yours goes in easier, we had to do a lot of cutting and bending hangers and such to get it to not hang low and scrape. However, the sound is amazing and the blood and sweat that went into it was worth it. Also the pride of doing it in your garage is pretty cool. Whatever the case, i hope it comes out good

[ugakw06]

thanks for the response. ive decided not to attempt this on my own and now i'm just trying to figure out if i should still go with the pypes and have the shop install it or get them to put something together for me. anybody have suggestions on what to ask the exhaust guys to do or go with the pypes still? like i said performance is my goal with sound but the stock exhaust has rust and has got to go! thanks for any responses!

[poultry411]

If you go to a shop worth it's salt, they might tell you to scrap the duals, and for good reason! My buddy with an 80's RS camaro (Small block bored over, 305L heads for high compression, full out balls-to-the-walls drag cam, demon drag carb, custom you name it) got talked out of duals by an old timer. His reasoning was that a larger single will allow more scavenging at high RPM's (which his car was built for) than a true dual because of the amount of drag the surface area of the extra pipe would put up. However, if you are going for torque more than HP, dual is supposedly the way to go. IMO, the 3.8 likes to kick it in the high r's, and I plan on building on what's already been done by Mr. Henry ford on that front... I also hear that flowmaster is all ear candy and not much for flow, so listen to the guy's on that one. They might suggest dynomax, gibson or borola, so listen to them... if they are a real exhaust shop, and not just pipe benders with a MIG. Thats another thing, if the system is full-welded, it will last longer and won't rust as fast IMO. I've been looking at the pypes cat-back duals with the old school 5.0 turn downs. I may just have that imitated in a single pipe. I don't make any illusions to the fact that my stang is a v-6, and feel it has no need for a GT style out the back exhaust. I prefer the smooth rear bumper look, not to knock the gt's, but it's a preference thing. Good luck on the MOD! Just food for thought!

[GuitarstarX7]

If you find a good shop, they will be able to fabricate one for you. Just make sure it's a good shop/ ask around because some shops do crappy work! For a dual setup with an H or X pipe, it usually costs around $350-400.

[ugakw06]

looks like getting the shop to fab something up for me is going to be the way to go. im just going to have to do some looking around and find a good, reliable shop. im looking for more torque, take off. if i go with a bigger single will this help any or would the dual still be better. how does the dual and a bigger single compare at different rpms? .. or is this even the way to compare them?

[poultry411]

Any more flow to the exhaust will improve you're power over stock. Universally speaking, a larger single is for higher RPM HP, and duals are meant to provide low-end torque. I think it's posted as "the bolt-on run down" or in the web articles section, there is a good resource I was leafing through on the site under the basics and theories of mods. Check it out, it may give you the answer you're looking for. You haven't mentioned if you've done anything else to the car, so if this is a stocker, duals or even a too-large single has a good chance of doing more harm than good. Remember, v6'ers hate life with no back pressure, and I've always been told to work on the intake side of you're motor before the exhaust to maintain good scavenging. If you are stock, consider going with a cost-effective after market/ custom setup, and doing a CAI along with it, or shortly after, because you just might wind up loosing power. I know I have a 3.8 stocker; I also have the problem of a cracked manifold (which is a part of the TSB's and a design flaw), and I lost a noticeable amount of torque and HP when it got bad... just food for thought. Either way, listen to the guys here and shop around, and go with the shop that you feel the best about. consider their knowledge, price and look out for up-selling. If they just agree with everything you say and suggest the most expensive option you thought of, look elsewhere. Try to get recommendations from old-school guys and other hot-rodders, not necessarily tuner guys. You don't need a shop that specializes in fart-cans, they're just a disgrace to performance. FYI on CAI's, AmericanMuscle.com has the BBK in-the-fender style, and a no-name in the fender style for v6. Lots of guys are pissed they didn't get the no-name because it's the same design, but a good $100 cheaper. I'm looking at it now, it's only like $70+, cheap mod IMO. check it out!

[ugakw06]

ive got a k&n CAI. should this be ok when adding a dual or would there still be a concern? i deffinately dont want there to be a chance of harm.

[poultry411]

There should be no immediate harm, you can dive into theory and talk of pre-mature wear, but about everything we do can cause that. If you flow too much, you may just fall short of the power goal and be miserable with the results. Too much flow will just hurt performance and mileage. It'll cost you more to drive her, and she ain't gonna go faster. You may get the "placebo" effect... you hear your new loud exhaust, and be happy for a while... but you might not go faster. You might as well throw on some $10 flex-a-fix and a fart pipe and hang with the tuners if that 's the case. Full out true duals are usually reserved for forced induction, not just CAI's.

[GuitarstarX7]

If you go with duals, you should get 2 1/4 in pipe to help keep back pressure. If you are planning some major mods like cam, heads, or supercharger you should get 2 1/2 in pipe at least.

As for the tail pipes, the larger ones will help get a deeper sound. I think mine are 3.5"

[blak5lame]

v6ers are fun not to heavy or light, what ever you do gettit in a stick

[ugakw06]

the most urgent reason in getting a new exhaust was because of the rust and exhaust leaks caused by the rust. i was just thinking that while i was fixing this problem i could go with a dual and add some torque but i don't want to do anything to hurt or cause possible damage. i guess ill just see about getting the stock exhaust re-done. is there any mods i should see about to go with the stock exhaust .. muffler or anything like that? .. AND thank you to everyone who helped .. especially poultyry411 .. I'm glad i didn't jump into anything without checking into it first! Any mods to stock exhaust?

[poultry411]

Originally Posted by ugakw06

the most urgent reason in getting a new exhaust was because of the rust and exhaust leaks caused by the rust. i was just thinking that while i was fixing this problem i could go with a dual and add some torque but i don't want to do anything to hurt or cause possible damage. i guess ill just see about getting the stock exhaust re-done. is there any mods i should see about to go with the stock exhaust .. muffler or anything like that? .. AND thank you to everyone who helped .. especially poultyry411 .. I'm glad i didn't jump into anything without checking into it first! Any mods to stock exhaust?

No sweat, but don't let me completely discourage you! GuitarstarX7 is right, don't go over 2.25" unless you plan some serious mods. The most popular stock mods I've seen are duals after the cats, but IMO, you may want to explore going from you're 2" after cat to a good muffler like dynomax, borola or ect... with a 2.25". The stepping of the sizes will help the scavenging. A single will deliver the goods on the performance side, I just think less is more on the 6ers.. unless you go for broke on forced induction and all that... then reason goes out the window and you're in Hot Rod territory. Talk to you're exhaust guys, if they're good, they will have sound advice. If they want to go beyond 2.25", be wary. If they start talking 3"..... look around. Be aware of straight out tips, you'll need to cut you're bumper and I've heard mixed results. I personally like the turn downs, but thats my way of doing it. Since you have a CAI, you are headed in the right direction. While you're down there, you might as well do something trick. Definitely scrap the OEM muffler, and go with after market. Good luck, let us know what goes down!