Yeah, both Super Six Motorsports and Delk Performance have 10sec N/A V6s!! They both seem to do it by using a larger bore (stroker) engine, porting the upper and lower intakes ('90s V6s have are limited mostly by breathing), and more aggressive cams/valves. Check out their websites: Super Six Motorsports Delk Performance
And I thought I read that Delk just broke into the 9's (but maybe with a blower?)... Also, look at the clip of them racing! Delk Performance --> click on "10 Sec. V6"
Are they track only V6's? or can the be street driven? I personally don't see the point of having a track only car at my age. i'd rather have something that can be fun at the track and still retain streetable driving. Not the quickest or fastest, but fun.
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I don't understand why people think that Supras are the untouchable import. I mean, don't get me wrong. They're quick, and I have respect for them. Could it beat a stock V6? I surely hope so, considering that it sure cost a lot more. But some of these Supra guys talk a pretty big game. I'm not saying you do, honest. But I hear a lot of, "my Supra is faster than a Corvette." or "I beat a Viper in my Toyota". I mean, again, props to the GT-R, but it's not the fastest car in the world. It seems like people had to make excuses when it got spanked by the ZR-1.
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I don't understand why people think that Supras are the untouchable import. I mean, don't get me wrong. They're quick, and I have respect for them. Could it beat a stock V6? I surely hope so, considering that it sure cost a lot more. But some of these Supra guys talk a pretty big game. I'm not saying you do, honest. But I hear a lot of, "my Supra is faster than a Corvette." or "I beat a Viper in my Toyota". I mean, again, props to the GT-R, but it's not the fastest car in the world. It seems like people had to make excuses when it got spanked by the ZR-1.
I believe you're referring to the newest 4th Gen Supra. (93.5-98) Those are reaching some pretty high numbers and they're running for the stock 6 spd record along with the TT Vipers. The one in the original post is the older 3rd Gen. Not too many of those have been built up thanks to the popularity gained by the MKIV in a certain movie. Most people with the older Supra's hover around 400-500 range because they don't wanna spend money on a rebuild of their high mileage and abused engine and get pissed when it gives up. I've heard the ZR-1 story go both ways. A few owners complain that it's new and more $$ was spent on the toyota (true in some cases but not all). Each car is built a certain way for a purpose that is only truely known by the owner. If you're happy with the way your car is built then who cares what others think. Nobody claims they're untouchable. I've witnessed a Supra get destroyed by a Camaro at TX2K8. Supra was street legal and Camaro wasn't, but it was at the strip. Supra had a 88mm Turbo and Camaro had a 101mm Turbo. 2 different setups with 2 different goals in mind. Of course one will overtake the other at what it's meant to do. It was insane to see that Camaro rocket off the line!! I'm not defending the Supra, although i am partial to them because i own one. i don't claim to be utouchable (I know I'm not), but they are damn good cars for only being a 3.0L inline 6. I've seen numerous accounts where the Supra loses to well built cars. It seems now days that (because of that damn movie) the Supra is an icon to almost all imports and everyone wants to run one. I duno how it is in the Domestic side, but I do know that there are a few people that believe that because it's a smaller engine it's junk. to each their own opinion.
The Supra is one of the best (if not the best) import in my mind. Simply because of how it was built, and what it can withstand. Over 800WHP on stock internals is pretty good for any car. i don't know of many other imports that are capable of that. I'm sure there are Domestic cars that can do this as well, which is why they're considered one of the best cars as well.
I have no clue what Stangs are runing and I don't claim to. I do know that the MKIV Supra's are pulling off 8.0's on stock 6 spd and stock rearend. In complete street trim they're running mid 8's. I personally feel that's an accomplishment for a 3.0L 6 cyl. I'm sure the stang's are runing along the same lines, I haven't looked that far into what they are doing.
Everyone says their car is faster than (insert car here). It's a fact of the game. Everyone does it, nobody is exempt from it. That's the point behind the kill section. It feels good to say that your car is faster than a car that's held on a podium for performance, especially when your car is an older one. it's called pride. I'll admit, I go around saying I beat cars that were stock simply because I beat them and they're held high on the ranks.
One of the biggest Rivals (friendly of course) was ***** vs Wolvering. MKIV Supra vs Charged Cobra. that literally came down to driver and who could get the better launch. On the highway, theSupra would start to inch away very slowly. Ithink it's due to the Turbo on topend vs Supercharger. Supra's and Stangs will always be compared simply because of import vs domestic. Both are good in different aspect in my mind. I love the sound of a throaty V8, at the same time I love the sound of a big single Supra spooling up.
Sorry for the long post. not taking sides for either, just stating how I see it. Completely my own opinion.
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I can't lie, I'm not very familiar with Supras. Maybe I'm just biased because I went to high school with a few cocky Supra fans. You're right though, it does seem to be my (insert model) is faster than a(insert model). Oh well. Hey, we're all car lovers. A fast car is a fast car. It doesn't matter who makes it.
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I can't lie, I'm not very familiar with Supras. Maybe I'm just biased because I went to high school with a few cocky Supra fans. You're right though, it does seem to be my (insert model) is faster than a(insert model). Oh well. Hey, we're all car lovers. A fast car is a fast car. It doesn't matter who makes it.
I agree with this statement, but, when a 500hp Cobra can take out a 800hp Supra because they decide to be a moron and slap on one massive turbo, that's kind of redundant . That's what most supra owners do and it's a shame really, because they're really not fast for that kind of power. One of my buddies has a twin-turbo Supra and that thing hauls ass, I can't say the same for the one's with the gigantic single turbo. Takes sooooo long for those to spool, but, when they do they go. Too bad the single turbo would only be good for the dyno and 100+mph situations where there's no shifting so the turbo can spool.
Generally speaking (NOT ALL CASES) Stang's will be upgraded with superchargers, and Supra's will convert from twin turbo (Less lag but not high HP potential) to single (Bigger numbers and faster). Sure if they chose to go the etremely epensive route they could have Giant twins like a few have done. (1622RWHP) That's very very expensive and usually ends up with disappointing results. Going with a big single will have lag (Which can be cured if done right) and yield very good runs. Most of these 8 sec Supra's are runing a giant single in the 88-91mm range.
Of course a supercharger (with power on tap) will out accelerate a Turbo of the same (and slightly higher) power, while the turbo will come to life up top. I honestly don't think anyone has taken the time to build a s'charged Supra. And before anyone says it, a 4.6 or 5.0 will spool that same Turbo quicker obviously. The majority of the Supra's i've seen have been with top end in mind and not so much on acceleration. And i agree that just slapping a giant turbo on any car is rediculous. You will need everything to support it to it's fullest if you wanna run all out. Not too many people have the $$ to buy everything that's needed. I don't generalize Stang's and say they have no topend for the simple fact that most I see are built with s'chargers.
You should take a look at Ryan Woon, or Titan MotorSports, or SP Engineering. they all run giant single setups and are quick. It all dpends on if you're willing to do it right. Yes the Twing will have better acceleration in STOCK form. They're set up sequentially but can be set to TTC (Both kick at the same time about 3500rpm). little bit more lag, but about a 20-30 RWHP increase with little to no money. I'm curious to learn more about Stang's and what they're doing. That's why I'm here.
That comment was like me saying s'charged Cobra's are only good for low gear pulls cause they lack topend. Again, every car can be built to do anything. A Stang as well as a Supra can both run great times and reach isane speeds. Personally I feel that the Supra is competing with the Viper for the TX mile shootout and for 6 spd record is pretty good for a slow giant single turbo.
Take what you want from my post. it's only my opinion and what I've learned through my experiences.
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Are they track only V6's? or can the be street driven? I personally don't see the point of having a track only car at my age. i'd rather have something that can be fun at the track and still retain streetable driving. Not the quickest or fastest, but fun.
Is the mighty Supra set-up you're talking about streetable or track? Methinks it's track... Sorry, I had to bust on ya a little.
Anyway, yes - their set-ups are pretty much track. However, I know at least Super6 offers lower-level stuff that gives some power but keeps street-ability (is that a word? ). I agree with you and that is the route I am going: decent power but still nice to drive. Then I will focus on looks (bodykit, rims, paint, interior).
And what's that about the Supra competing with the Viper?!? Are you talking a stock Viper, cuz they come as V-10s - faster than any stock Stang or Supra. Maybe I'm misunderstanding: what is the "TX mile shootout"?
Stick big turbo's on it and any car can be fast. A perfect example comes from a gent in my neighboring province of Saskatchewan. The guy's name is Ryan Mckay. He slapped some turbo's on his 96 and ran a high 11 at 122 with a street driven car.
If you look at his ban from the track, you will see that he had none of the safety requirements that a pure race car would have. A friend of mine knows him and went to have Ryan mod his daily driver in the same way.
Is the mighty Supra set-up you're talking about streetable or track? Methinks it's track... Sorry, I had to bust on ya a little.
Anyway, yes - their set-ups are pretty much track. However, I know at least Super6 offers lower-level stuff that gives some power but keeps street-ability (is that a word? ). I agree with you and that is the route I am going: decent power but still nice to drive. Then I will focus on looks (bodykit, rims, paint, interior).
And what's that about the Supra competing with the Viper?!? Are you talking a stock Viper, cuz they come as V-10s - faster than any stock Stang or Supra. Maybe I'm misunderstanding: what is the "TX mile shootout"?
You would be better off looking for a used Procharger setup than paying for SSM's stuff. I have seen them on the board's for $1500-1800 and the result is 280-320 hp. Compare that to SSM's substantially higher cost for considerably less power and the choice is a no brainer.
You would be better off looking for a used Procharger setup than paying for SSM's stuff. I have seen them on the board's for $1500-1800 and the result is 280-320 hp. Compare that to SSM's substantially higher cost for considerably less power and the choice is a no brainer.
True - and that's probably the route I will go.
It's just me and supralvr had already been specifically talking about SSM (and Delk). And so, I await his reply...
. That's what most supra owners do and it's a shame really, because they're really not fast for that kind of power. One of my buddies has a twin-turbo Supra and that thing hauls ass, I can't say the same for the one's with the gigantic single turbo. Takes sooooo long for those to spool, but, when they do they go. Too bad the single turbo would only be good for the dyno and 100+mph situations where there's no shifting so the turbo can spool.
Methinks it's track... Sorry, I had to bust on ya a little. 
). I agree with you and that is the route I am going: decent power but still nice to drive. Then I will focus on looks (bodykit, rims, paint, interior).
