like i mentioned earlier and someone agreed... i hear the v6's sound really bad and lose power when you lose the cats because there isnt enough back pressure without them. youre better off just leaving it alone. i was going to take mine off until i had heard that several times i just decided to leave it alone.
why would you want to short circuit anything ever?
LOL believe it or not i actually have an answer to that.
at the shop i work at, we have a few techs who arent the brightest in their field...often times if they "diagnose" something and replace a part under warranty and it turns out that the part they replaced wasnt defective (omg surprise surprise); and if they send in a part that has nothing wrong with it, then Hyundai will send it back and make the tech pay for it. to avoid that, they often throw parts in the microwave to make them bad.
i saw someone trying to nuke a washer fluid pump today...
LOL believe it or not i actually have an answer to that.
at the shop i work at, we have a few techs who arent the brightest in their field...often times if they "diagnose" something and replace a part under warranty and it turns out that the part they replaced wasnt defective (omg surprise surprise); and if they send in a part that has nothing wrong with it, then Hyundai will send it back and make the tech pay for it. to avoid that, they often throw parts in the microwave to make them bad.
i saw someone trying to nuke a washer fluid pump today...
thats sad..
no not your tech ppl there learning and the microwave thing was smart as hell
its the fact that warming up a hyundai part = fail.. im never looking at a tiburon again
LOL believe it or not i actually have an answer to that.
at the shop i work at, we have a few techs who arent the brightest in their field...often times if they "diagnose" something and replace a part under warranty and it turns out that the part they replaced wasnt defective (omg surprise surprise); and if they send in a part that has nothing wrong with it, then Hyundai will send it back and make the tech pay for it. to avoid that, they often throw parts in the microwave to make them bad.
i saw someone trying to nuke a washer fluid pump today...
it cant be that hard to kill a hyundai part. these things happen tho. i cant say ive never mis diagnosed something and found a way out of paying for it.... i felt bad doing it though
A tech that misdiagnoses a problem and replaces a good part SHOULD be forced to pay for it. This is why they go to school and learn, there is no excuse other than the fact they don't have the ability to fix cars.
That's why we have these forums. Somebody usually can diagnose it so you are not throwing money at a problem that doesn't get fixed. Hence, the power window problem in the tech section.....
A tech that misdiagnoses a problem and replaces a good part SHOULD be forced to pay for it. This is why they go to school and learn, there is no excuse other than the fact they don't have the ability to fix cars.
i agree 100%.
although, it does happen...even to the best of them.
when it does happen it's unfortunate...people do make mistakes.
however, if it happens often, then there is a problem.
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Originally Posted by green4money00
i know first hand school doesnt hold anything against real experience. ive never met a tech that never mis diagnosed a problem before
that's true...when you get into a scenario that has half a dozen different possibilities, such as working with SRS systems and other electrical systems, it can get VERY confusing. and you are right that school experience does not measure up to firsthand shop experience, when i was going to school, i wasnt worried about the cars getting fixed on time, or fixed right the first time. now i am.
realistically, you'll only be forced to eat the part if you didnt even make an attempt to diagnose the vehicle. if something is not working and you start rolling dice to guess what the problem is, that's when it's going to bite you. however, if you can explain to the shop foreman exactly what you did to come to the conclusion you came to, then he's going to be on your side.
which brings me to the guy i saw nuking a washer fluid pump those few days ago... that is pathetic.
there are only a handful of parts to that system, a 12v source, a switch, a 20a fuse, a washer pump, and a ground. add to that no more than 5 feet of wiring, and maybe 6 feet of tubes, that is a very simple system to diagnose. there is no excuse for that.
its the fact that warming up a hyundai part = fail
it's not the heat that ruins the parts.
it's the fact that your putting metal into a microwave. you put any kind of elecronics into a microwave and you will fry it.
I agree that noone is perfect when it comes to diagnosing problems. Anyone that states they never misdiagnosed something is a liar. I know the times I have done it, I have been honest with the customer and we work out an arrangement since almost every time fixing the wrong thing directly points to the right thing that needed fixing. I generally only charge for the parts and eat the labor costs in a scenario like this since I'd rather have a repeat customer.
The part that really upsets me is that the offending mechanics don't have the balls to own up to their mistake and try to cover it up. That is pure BS.
I agree that noone is perfect when it comes to diagnosing problems. Anyone that states they never misdiagnosed something is a liar. I know the times I have done it, I have been honest with the customer and we work out an arrangement since almost every time fixing the wrong thing directly points to the right thing that needed fixing. I generally only charge for the parts and eat the labor costs in a scenario like this since I'd rather have a repeat customer.
The part that really upsets me is that the offending mechanics don't have the balls to own up to their mistake and try to cover it up. That is pure BS.
i fully agree.
i've had a few misdiagnosis as well. i had one a few weeks ago. car came in with a p0456, i ran an evap leakdown test 3 times and each time it passed. that can only mean one thing, one of the 2 electronic vent valve controls were intermittently sticking open and leaking. there's a CCV (canister close valve) in the rear of the car and a purge control valve in the engine bay. there is no way to test for one of these vent valves intermittently sticking; the only thing you could possibly do would be to sit inside the car all day long doing actuation tests HOPING that the valve would get stuck once. so i basically had to pick one or the other and hope it was right. i picked the CCV. a week later the car came back with the CEL on...p0456. ran the same diagnostics as before, no leaks detected in the evap system. replaced the purge control valve. car left and has stayed gone.
that's an example of a difficult/near impossible diagnosis. luckily there are only 2 electronic vent valves.
and rather than microwave the CCV, i explained it to the shop foreman. this is a common misdiagnosis in our shop, he understood, and i didnt have to pay for the CCV...which is only like $30...but still. technically, they both could have been faulty, but there is no way to be sure.
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