Sorry, just got back from Mexico... anyways, this isn't the case for me. I understand what your saying though. In my case, my grandfather was buying the car for me (he's a car dealer so we get pretty good deals). He told me he was willing to spend 13,000 for a car the would get me to and from college without problems (meaning he wanted one with low miles). We found an 01 GT that's loaded for 14,000 so he jumped on it. It's not like I had the option of spending less on the car and more on the aftermarket.... But to respond to what you suggested. This is just my opinion... but why not wait a little while, maybe a year or two when the price of a v8 car is around the same as the v6 your thinking about buying now... then, you will have more power to work with when you get the car? Like I said, this is just my opinion. I'm fixing to buy an exaust system, 3.73 gears and maybe a few other things... with this, I'll have all the power I need.
Then you're at the mercy of the previous owner. You don't really even know if it was an off-lease unit that never received oil changes. Or did a lot of time on the strip.
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Yup, seen SCC's tests, they actually got a full 2.5 points of octane with NOS racing formula or whatever. Cool stuff, but not going to allow major timing like C16.
Anyway, don't get me wrong, I don't hold my GT in high esteem... it's an ok car, did better than I expected on the track, but it is by no means a fast car, nor would I call it a "nice" car. Honestly, I bought it because it was stupidly cheap for an '04 with 4K miles on it. I routinely meet tools running 15s at the track with the same car. I'd like to think that they are the minority, launching like tards, shifting like dead cripples... Aren't there a fair number of people on this forum that have run times in the high 13s with stock cars?
And $3000 is a lot of money in parts in my book... and you're running a 100 shot - I stated without nitrous or lots of money in parts.
Yeah I meant no flaming, but like I know people that drive well and then there are people I see making a fast car go very slow lol. so I average out the numbers I mean i pray a 2004 Gt can run 13.8 stock I just wonder what nd 05 will run
3000... and seing that it's a 94-98 I boiught my 94 for 4 k plus 3 k is 7 I could have bought a 94 Gt for 7 k that had 75 k miles on it. But that 94 with 3 k in mods will eat that GT up. and i wont be killed with insurance. So you ave a bit. Most kids these days usually dump 3 k in a turno system or SC alone. so I don't really consider 3 k a lot. (Ive seen engines with at least 80 k under the hood) talk about too much LOL. But 3 k - nah that's more or less good money to run a low 13 with a v6. certainly a saver.
Yeah I meant no flaming, but like I know people that drive well and then there are people I see making a fast car go very slow lol. so I average out the numbers I mean i pray a 2004 Gt can run 13.8 stock I just wonder what nd 05 will run
3000... and seing that it's a 94-98 I boiught my 94 for 4 k plus 3 k is 7 I could have bought a 94 Gt for 7 k that had 75 k miles on it. But that 94 with 3 k in mods will eat that GT up. and i wont be killed with insurance. So you ave a bit. Most kids these days usually dump 3 k in a turno system or SC alone. so I don't really consider 3 k a lot. (Ive seen engines with at least 80 k under the hood) talk about too much LOL. But 3 k - nah that's more or less good money to run a low 13 with a v6. certainly a saver.
It's all in how you look at it. From a pure monetary standpoint, I haven't found much to compete with DSMs (Eclispe/Talon/Laser) - for 3 grand, including the purchase price, we can toss together a 12 second car... but I dunno, with this GT, I'd like to see how fast I can get with around a grand in mods, no nitrous, no boost- unless of course I can find a nice reasonable turbo kit... basically if I spend more than 3 grand on a car, I need to pick mods that are easily returned to stock, I rarely keep a car more than a year or so.
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2003 Mitsubishi Evo 8
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Then you're at the mercy of the previous owner. You don't really even know if it was an off-lease unit that never received oil changes. Or did a lot of time on the strip.
It's not really that hard to tell. Car dealers use a very well kept background check before they buy cars... at least dealers at big car lots. Every time you take a car in to have anything worked on it (including oil changes) it is documented within the cars file... so as a car dealer, all you have to do is access the file and you have a complete record of the cars life... everything from tire and oil changes to minor or major wrecks. The previous owner of my car was a middle aged (30 or so) women. She took really good car of the car so it's still in very good shape... only has 50k miles on it. It's a shame though that people buy fast cars and don't drive them like sports cars. Not saying that you should run your car hard, but at least use it for what it's made for. I guess if it wasn't for people like that though, I wouldn't have a car in as nice of condition as I do.
It's not really that hard to tell. Car dealers use a very well kept background check before they buy cars... at least dealers at big car lots. Every time you take a car in to have anything worked on it (including oil changes) it is documented within the cars file... so as a car dealer, all you have to do is access the file and you have a complete record of the cars life... everything from tire and oil changes to minor or major wrecks. The previous owner of my car was a middle aged (30 or so) women. She took really good car of the car so it's still in very good shape... only has 50k miles on it. It's a shame though that people buy fast cars and don't drive them like sports cars. Not saying that you should run your car hard, but at least use it for what it's made for. I guess if it wasn't for people like that though, I wouldn't have a car in as nice of condition as I do.
Little Old Lady from Pasadena, eh?
Assuming they didn't do all the work themselves, or say they have receipts from one of the quick change places that don't do half the stuff they say they do. I used to take my car to one of those places, and discovered 2 different times at two different places they charged me for oil they didn't replace!!!
Most people don't take their cars to the dealer for service. If you can find one like that, it's usually a pretty good indicator.
But you still don't know if that low mileage Mustang didn't live its life a 1/4 mile at a time, and still had it serviced at the dealer.
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It's not really that hard to tell. Car dealers use a very well kept background check before they buy cars... at least dealers at big car lots. Every time you take a car in to have anything worked on it (including oil changes) it is documented within the cars file... so as a car dealer, all you have to do is access the file and you have a complete record of the cars life... everything from tire and oil changes to minor or major wrecks. The previous owner of my car was a middle aged (30 or so) women. She took really good car of the car so it's still in very good shape... only has 50k miles on it. It's a shame though that people buy fast cars and don't drive them like sports cars. Not saying that you should run your car hard, but at least use it for what it's made for. I guess if it wasn't for people like that though, I wouldn't have a car in as nice of condition as I do.
I Crashed my car up bad, but yuo won't find that in any report
Now Im not saying I really did or didn't but that's the case.
Yes dealers make careful decisions but a lot of people out there can get into a big accident and drive it off and fix it themselves.. you could have a busted up car fixed by some backyard mechanic. still need to be weary it's the ode to used cars poem all over again lol.
But if the records are concisten yearly then I wouldn't fret. I was repainting one side of my car and while sanding I noticed the rear had pin holes.. Pin holes is a method used by repairers to pull out big dents. My car got hit in the rear end prolly. But I wont find that in any reports it was prolly done without insurance prolly wasn't bad of a hit, and tkaen care of some hunkajunk body shop. heh. Oh well lol. you'll find things wrong just give it time
I Crashed my car up bad, but yuo won't find that in any report
Now Im not saying I really did or didn't but that's the case.
Yes dealers make careful decisions but a lot of people out there can get into a big accident and drive it off and fix it themselves.. you could have a busted up car fixed by some backyard mechanic. still need to be weary it's the ode to used cars poem all over again lol.
But if the records are concisten yearly then I wouldn't fret. I was repainting one side of my car and while sanding I noticed the rear had pin holes.. Pin holes is a method used by repairers to pull out big dents. My car got hit in the rear end prolly. But I wont find that in any reports it was prolly done without insurance prolly wasn't bad of a hit, and tkaen care of some hunkajunk body shop. heh. Oh well lol. you'll find things wrong just give it time
Not everybody can afford to buy a new car . Their are ways to know if a car has been hit hard and fixed by a "hunkajunk" body shop . First , look it over closely . eyeing it up the sides . Look at the body lines and gaps --- are they consistent . Look for things like a bunch of washers / body shims on one side of , lets say , a bumper and none on the other . Same holds true for alot of shims in a fender . Hammer marks and bends , wrinkles or paint knocked off were there shouldn`t be. Rad support for example . Is there bad tire wear . Do the aim of the head lights hit center . Just by Looking and checking you can see and find alot .
Now for the flip side . If a car has been wrecked hard and fixed right their shouldn`t be much of a problem . It all depends on the person that fixed it . Now I must admit I do have a bias here , being this is what I do for a living - auto body repair and rebuilds . OH Yes , I have worked on Brand New cars that were damaged while unloading them , might be surprised what one might find in a new car . Being new does not always mean being perfect ! I also have heard the stories of how the techs beat the liveing **** out of the new cars on their service test drive .
One of these days I`m going to upload pics of my car. Before , during and finished pics . Saved her from the salvage yard , restored her and am even thinking about takeing her to the local car show this year
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Not everybody can afford to buy a new car . Their are ways to know if a car has been hit hard and fixed by a "hunkajunk" body shop . First , look it over closely . eyeing it up the sides . Look at the body lines and gaps --- are they consistent . Look for things like a bunch of washers / body shims on one side of , lets say , a bumper and none on the other . Same holds true for alot of shims in a fender . Hammer marks and bends , wrinkles or paint knocked off were there shouldn`t be. Rad support for example . Is there bad tire wear . Do the aim of the head lights hit center . Just by Looking and checking you can see and find alot .
Now for the flip side . If a car has been wrecked hard and fixed right their shouldn`t be much of a problem . It all depends on the person that fixed it . Now I must admit I do have a bias here , being this is what I do for a living - auto body repair and rebuilds . OH Yes , I have worked on Brand New cars that were damaged while unloading them , might be surprised what one might find in a new car . Being new does not always mean being perfect ! I also have heard the stories of how the techs beat the liveing **** out of the new cars on their service test drive .
One of these days I`m going to upload pics of my car. Before , during and finished pics . Saved her from the salvage yard , restored her and am even thinking about takeing her to the local car show this year
Not saying everyone can afford a new car... I drive a 94 lol. Im saying you'd be surpirsed what can be kept off papered that you won't know about but yes Look for gaps and washers (Usual quick fixes leave these marks) it's a good thing to look for.
But you still don't know if that low mileage Mustang didn't live its life a 1/4 mile at a time, and still had it serviced at the dealer.
Seriously. My car has 8000 miles on it and has seen 20 passes... of course it doesn't go to the dealer, but it does get very anal maintenance and looks pretty much perfect. Melted rubber washes off really easily... :thumbup
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2003 Mitsubishi Evo 8
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Instead of reading 3 pages of excuses why people bash them. It all comes down to ego. Some people live happy lives hurting others in which in return make them feel a high. Why? Don't know. I have never bashed any Mustang regardless of year or engine. Is it because my first stang was 2.3 and my new is a 3.8? Perhaps. Perhaps when I do get to own a GT or Cobra then maybe I will be a jerk and put the smaller guys down.. But I have a feeling i won't becuase its not in my nature. My 2 cents. Whether your pony is small or big, we are all from the same Mustang family..
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1999 Silver V6 - No mods yet........
1990 LX 2.3 N/A SOLD ... so sad
Assuming they didn't do all the work themselves, or say they have receipts from one of the quick change places that don't do half the stuff they say they do. I used to take my car to one of those places, and discovered 2 different times at two different places they charged me for oil they didn't replace!!!
Most people don't take their cars to the dealer for service. If you can find one like that, it's usually a pretty good indicator.
But you still don't know if that low mileage Mustang didn't live its life a 1/4 mile at a time, and still had it serviced at the dealer.
Alright... my family has been in the car buisness for a long time... do you honestly think that there is no way to tell these things? If you do your an idiot. I know what your saying, now understand what I'm saying... just because your car's lacking a couple of cylinders doesn't mean you have to be an ass about it. It's people like you that make up GT owners hate you.
Alright... my family has been in the car buisness for a long time... do you honestly think that there is no way to tell these things? If you do your an idiot. I know what your saying, now understand what I'm saying... just because your car's lacking a couple of cylinders doesn't mean you have to be an ass about it. It's people like you that make up GT owners hate you.
not making sense in response to quote where are you coming from?
Lacking Cylinders??
-My example of random out of nowhere bashing? Lol
-there are wayas to tell of bad engine care---- but you have to take the engine apart to figure that out most of the time!.... Ask me who does that aside from myself.
I don't understand the aim of this poist but it comes across a little hostile and insulting...
Alright... my family has been in the car buisness for a long time... do you honestly think that there is no way to tell these things? If you do your an idiot. I know what your saying, now understand what I'm saying... just because your car's lacking a couple of cylinders doesn't mean you have to be an ass about it. It's people like you that make up GT owners hate you.
Eh, people will find a reason to hate you if that's what's in their hearts.
I had a 68 Mustang, and the GMers thought it was foolish, and hated it when I beat 'em -so did the modern drivers when I beat them in a road race on mountain passes. I had a Cougar 390, same diff. I had an F-150 4x4, that the chevy truckers hated, but you know what?
I don't hate anyone, not even the Honda modders. I think they're great! Annoying, but, this is America Man. It's what makes this country great, and I learn from them, too! Some of the stuff they've come up with is amazing!
I considered trading in the 6 on a GT 2 years ago, when I got my current 6. I stuck with the 6, not only on a cost basis, but by the fact I could do something unique again. Any idiot back in the day could build a GM product with a 350. Anyone can build a current GT. But it took time, persistence, and knowledge to build a 5.0L, 302, or a 351 in the 80s, but when you did, the look on the peoples faces when you beat them was worth every minute of it. And yeah, people hated you for beating them when their mantra was "there's no replacement for displacement, and buy a chevy."
For that reason alone, I bought another six. Like the 289/302/and 5.0L the engines are cheap, they're readily available, and they are purposefully detuned, so they have a lot of potential.
I don't hate you man, I've had all kinds of v8 cars. But I love winning as an underdog
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