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Old 08-04-2007   #1 (permalink)
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So i was reading about different mustang engines, and there was a 4.2 V8 in the 80's. while this engine is absolutely horrible, and slow, and it would be to much effort to modernize it, just out of curiousities sake would it be possible to put one of these engines in a V6 mustang, since it the same displacement as the F150 4.2 V6, would it fit and work, or (besides somehow making the engine preform well) would there have to be a completely new parts?

Also, would the 3.9L V8 from the Lincoln Ls/ Thunder bird fit also, since it is around the same size as our 6's, or would that require a whole new drivetrain?
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I'll contradict what you stated and say that you ARE interested in doing this.
You don't have to hide from the boys with a v8.

To simplify it, it is more money and time than what it's worth. Buying a wrecked donor car is about the only way to do it. Otherwise, you'll spend months ordering parts.

Plus, the money it would take you to do it, you could have bought a GT.
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it was a german motor that was a dog. no speed parts available, nothing. it is impractical ,not to mention the heads had no flow (not to mention the pistons are so smallthat the power pulse would not be much) so the 4.2 six is the way to go for the non V8 approach. has anyone looked into a stroker kit for the 4.0 explorer/mustang setup?
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ok i know a bit about the history of the mustang so let see? The 289ci v8 is about 4.2l and its about the same size as the 302. Oh heres a little fact you might know, the 4.6l in the 94-up mustangs is only a 281ci with a 4-8inch deck ht. the parts form a 289 shoud work because i think their the same thing just the 80s is EFI while the older was crab. I hope this helps
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ok i know a bit about the history of the mustang so let see? The 289ci v8 is about 4.2l and its about the same size as the 302. Oh heres a little fact you might know, the 4.6l in the 94-up mustangs is only a 281ci with a 4-8inch deck ht. the parts form a 289 shoud work because i think their the same thing just the 80s is EFI while the older was crab. I hope this helps
Both engines are windsors, just different displacements, also a 289 is 4.6 or 4.7L and the 302 is 4.9 or as most people say 5.0L, but thats a totally different engine than the one hes talking about
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actually the first V8 mustang was something likea 260 cid Falcon motor
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The engine will physically fit but you would probably have to change the K-member and have custom mounts.. Not to mention the wiring and all accessories, possibly new transmission as well. Basically you can stuff just about any motor into anything with enough money and time.

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hmmm, ok, and what about the 3.9L from the Lincoln LS. I'm a collage student,. so obviously i dont have the time or money for an engine swap
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hmmm, ok, and what about the 3.9L from the Lincoln LS. I'm a collage student,. so obviously i dont have the time or money for an engine swap
the 3.9 would be a sweet swap. i like those engines, and they haul ass in the thunderbirds, and sound great even with stock exhaust. But yea, it would be very expensive, and you would need a new transmission. most likely only the 5R55N which came stock in 02-05 thunderbirds and the LS.
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why not just do a rotating assembly swap and do a 4.2?
from an e/f 150

BTW: lxarlo, my V6's were never just "parts cars " as you put it, and when the stroker/blower motor that I am building, comes to fruition there will be some "Vh8ters" that will be pissed after seeing my taillights
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times now are not like the 60's and 70's, I wish it was swap and connect then i would just be doing that for fun

btw the 4.0 cologne v6 in 05+ is a german engine .

and it's discontinued this year? what are they doing next the 3.0 duratec 30?
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why not just do a rotating assembly swap and do a 4.2?
from an e/f 150

BTW: lxarlo, my V6's were never just "parts cars " as you put it, and when the stroker/blower motor that I am building, comes to fruition there will be some "Vh8ters" that will be pissed after seeing my taillights
I dont have that in my profile because i hate V6s. I have it in my profile because its true as far as foxes are concerned. lets take a look at the things that can be used in a fox.

axles
rear discs
front discs
master cylinder
alternator
transmissions (auto and manual)
wheels
seats
front spindles
complete interiors. the list goes on. although im not a big fan of the 3.8/3.9 because they are
-underpowered especially in F150s (mustangs anything up to 99)
-vibrate horribly
-always get exhaust leaks (99-04 mustangs)
-noisy
-overheat

i have my reasons, but im not goin to hate on a V6 who beats me in a race, simply because they started at such a disadvantage in the first place, the mods have to be pretty substantial, and i can appreciate that. I would love to build a V6 mustang with a 4.2 just to say that i did, but in my eye its just not the most desirable platform which i would like to start from. It is however Hot rodding in its truest form.
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3.8 was a duty rated 200,000 mile engine, with one hell of a strong bottom end, and very capable of producing and excellent amount of power... It's actually a pushrod engine compared to the GT's modular engine. but whatever right?

I gotta say though this 4.0, however just an explorer engine, sounds great, feels great, pulls great

I'm loving it and for 18k no less. I guess if I put 10,000 into to match a GT... haha no GT would stand a chance. but I drive this one to enjoy the drive now
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So i was reading about different mustang engines, and there was a 4.2 V8 in the 80's. while this engine is absolutely horrible, and slow, and it would be to much effort to modernize it, just out of curiousities sake would it be possible to put one of these engines in a V6 mustang, since it the same displacement as the F150 4.2 V6, would it fit and work, or (besides somehow making the engine preform well) would there have to be a completely new parts?

Also, would the 3.9L V8 from the Lincoln Ls/ Thunder bird fit also, since it is around the same size as our 6's, or would that require a whole new drivetrain?
Forget about all that, it's much too expensive and too much labor. I recommend a 4.2L stroker kid from Morana Parts.

www.moranav6racing.com

Trust me, being only .4L's away from a v8 will take you a long way. Your car will be much more torquier(is it a word?) than a stock GT (just the stroker kit won't get you much power/torque I'm saying this as a statement of when you get other mods while keeping the vehicle n/a)
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So i was reading about different mustang engines, and there was a 4.2 V8 in the 80's. while this engine is absolutely horrible, and slow, and it would be to much effort to modernize it, just out of curiousities sake would it be possible to put one of these engines in a V6 mustang, since it the same displacement as the F150 4.2 V6, would it fit and work, or (besides somehow making the engine preform well) would there have to be a completely new parts?

Also, would the 3.9L V8 from the Lincoln Ls/ Thunder bird fit also, since it is around the same size as our 6's, or would that require a whole new drivetrain?
Swapping in a F-150 Short block would make a MUCH stronger engine than that old 4.2L -I had one - it was worthless.

Much more fragile than anything Ford ever put together. You can pull 600hp+ out of the 3.8L you have now - you'd be lucky to get 157 hp out of that thing.

The Thunderbird engine is the same you have now 3.8L V6

the LS engine will not fit and would be more expensive to do than dropping in a Cobra engine.

Unless you drop in a 4v Cobra engine - the swap isn't worth doing - you'd make more power out of the six with the same amount of money.
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