i've never dyno'd my car because i have a friend up here that works for ford and has his own customs shop. he's gone to school for 4 years so i think he knows what he is talkin about.
5psi gives you around 75whp. like i said i have a really free flow exhaust system. this is how we solved it. we turned the internal wastegate to only allow 1 psi into the motor which gave my engine roughly 15whp per pound, my whp was at 230whp so we just subtracted that 15 and that gives me 215whp. and that 175whp for the stock hp is understated. brake hp to wheel hp is roughly an 5% decrease i think so that would actually make it the stock whp 183. with the diameter that my collectors and down pipe plus the flow thru with no cats or res. it matches up to about 210-220rwhp. i just kinda chose the middle.
does it increase hp to insulate your pipes? like i have cooling tape on my exhaust but would it helped if i insulated my cold pipes to keep the air cold from the engine?
You have never dyno'd your car because you have a friend who works for Ford??? No wonder Ford has a bad rep around the world...
You had 230rwhp from a free flowing exhaust??? And then you added a turbo kit and got 275rwhp??? The drive-train loss is 5% for both an auto and a manual on any Mustang??? So nearly nothing is lost when the car is put into gear and drive???
You have your exhaust pipes wrapped in tape??? I somehow doubt that...
Please post pictures of your set up. I have asked and I know other's have asked as well.
Also, As I have said. I can drive to your town and take pictures and post them for you if you wanted me to. I enjoy seeing modded sixes... Something tells me that you are going to evade this opportunity for the seventh time though...
This is why I told the guy I would not answer any of his questions. If you feel he is telling the truth, then ask him more questions.
Oh crap, I'll start it. Where did you hook up your BOV? What line did you hook it to? Did you ever find where your oil return line is for the turbo? Where did you install that? How did you turn down the pressure on the wastegate? Where did you hook the oil feed line to, and what did you use to regulate the pressure? What did you use for an intercooler? What diameter did you end up in regards to the piping? What did you do for O2 sensors? How far did you mount them down the system? How many O2's did you use?
Cmaurer, I think it is worth a trip up there to see him. I'll pick you up on the way through....
Ok you say you have NEVER had your car on the dyno. So how do you know your making 15whp per lb of boost?????? I just dont see the logic on how you got your numbers! Or are you just guessing.
Sorry, but just because your buddy went to school for 4 years doesnt mean he knows what hes talking about all the time.
because from what my track times say and my trap speed thats my estimated hp and since i'm only pushing 5psi you just take my original hp divide by 1 bar then mulitply yer psi which comes out to like 70whp for 5psi. divide those and thats close to 15whp er sumthin like that idk i explained it in the last post.
[quote=cmaurer1;1597057]You have never dyno'd your car because you have a friend who works for Ford??? No wonder Ford has a bad rep around the world...
You had 230rwhp from a free flowing exhaust??? And then you added a turbo kit and got 275rwhp??? The drive-train loss is 5% for both an auto and a manual on any Mustang??? So nearly nothing is lost when the car is put into gear and drive???
You have your exhaust pipes wrapped in tape??? I somehow doubt that...
Please post pictures of your set up. I have asked and I know other's have asked as well.
i said 210 to 220. and thats only a 25-35whp gain. very likely. well obviously if yer stang is a fat ass it will be a diff number but thats what mine comes out to. and you've never heard of cooling tape? its titanium and some silicon base to keep the heat in the tubes and not in yer engine bay. dude i'm not telling you where i live. thats freaky, seriously.
its basically a super turbo cuz with out the internal gate its capable of withstanding a 400hp gain.
here's my questions.
1. is this turbo the right size for my mustang.
2. for now only needing 5psi could i just run it off my drivers side exhaust??
3. this turbo is a new one called a hybrid and has no oil return line...i've read about turbo's smoking when they are below the engines oil level. would being below the level effect it? and if so do any of you know why there is no oil return and just a feed line?
4. i'm kinda curious as to what the heck that little pipe going into the exhaust manifolds is. it goes to these circle things by my intake in front of the thermostat. what are those and why do you need that pipe going into the manifold. if you need it?
5. i've seen alot of turbokits for mustangs and setups already installed on the stang. without buying new manifolds could i chop my stocks and just weld salvaged pipe from the rest of my exhaust to where my turbo will sit to the left of my stock battery position, then have the intercooler in front of the radiator yada yada. stock manifolds are 2in. and the other piping is 2.25 til the cats then 2.5 all the way out. so the deminsions of it are pretty much even.
6. for 5psi do i need bigger injectors or pump and if so what are my stock injectors/pump and what would i need?
7. same question for 12 psi lol
8. where should i install the blow off valve? its a 2.5 pipe and my intake is 3in so...
9. how the heck do you use/install a timing chain?? and how much would i have to retard it so my pistons wont detonate at 5psi and 12psi
10. would 5psi screw up my maf?, honestly could i just take the damn thing off and keep the IAC on?? and that question is for any psi.
thank you if you really replied to all these questions haha. like seriously this would end my stupid endless search of looking up crap on google.
Since I'm bored, and don't have class for another 15min lets see how fast I can do this.
1.) NO such thing as "right size"
2.) NO
3.) Where do you make this stuff up from? We've had "Hybrid" turbos for a long time, that does not mean they don't have oil return lines.
4.) EGR? You don't need it if that's what your talking about
5.) Yes, but I don't see it happening.
6.) 4.4 PSI you can run stock fuel system after that upgrade.
7.) Then you need a 310 focus pump, and 42lb injectors
8.) I would assume right before the pipe enters or exits the intercooler
9.) Don't touch your stock timing chain. Get a TUNE
10.) You need the MAF for Tuning, and when you (which i doubt will ever happen) go for more power (doubting that you will ever get a turbo installed) you need a bigger maf. This is NOT a speed density car.
This is why I told the guy I would not answer any of his questions. If you feel he is telling the truth, then ask him more questions.
Oh crap, I'll start it. Where did you hook up your BOV? What line did you hook it to? Did you ever find where your oil return line is for the turbo? Where did you install that? How did you turn down the pressure on the wastegate? Where did you hook the oil feed line to, and what did you use to regulate the pressure? What did you use for an intercooler? What diameter did you end up in regards to the piping? What did you do for O2 sensors? How far did you mount them down the system? How many O2's did you use?
Cmaurer, I think it is worth a trip up there to see him. I'll pick you up on the way through....
before the throttlebody, what line are you referring to, there is no oil return line because its a hybrid turbo, set it above yer engine like any other turbo and after the engine turns off the oil drains down the line. in the pan obviously. manual boost controller. feed line from the pan into the turbo...what kind of question is that? idk the cooler was like 150 bucks and works pretty well so far. hot side, 1.75 stock manifold into 2.25 pipes, 3.5 collector to a 2.5 exhaust turbo port, 2.75 out into a 3.5 flow thru, cold side, 3 in all the way thru till my 2.5 throttle body. i have 4. 1 in driver manifold, 1 in passenger, 1 in collector, 1 in the pipe. anything else?
god you guys are weird with the whole driving up to see me thing... and ya i totally use that little piece of metal to make it sound like i have a blow off valve
before the throttlebody, what line are you referring to, there is no oil return line because its a hybrid turbo, set it above yer engine like any other turbo and after the engine turns off the oil drains down the line. in the pan obviously. manual boost controller. feed line from the pan into the turbo...what kind of question is that? idk the cooler was like 150 bucks and works pretty well so far. hot side, 1.75 stock manifold into 2.25 pipes, 3.5 collector to a 2.5 exhaust turbo port, 2.75 out into a 3.5 flow thru, cold side, 3 in all the way thru till my 2.5 throttle body. i have 4. 1 in driver manifold, 1 in passenger, 1 in collector, 1 in the pipe. anything else?
god you guys are weird with the whole driving up to see me thing... and ya i totally use that little piece of metal to make it sound like i have a blow off valve
No oil return line, so while your car is running your turbo is cooking oil inside itself? You can't be that ignorant can you? Where are picture of your non-existent turbo setup? Where did you find a 2.5" throttle body last I checked they were in MM not inches.
because from what my track times say and my trap speed thats my estimated hp and since i'm only pushing 5psi you just take my original hp divide by 1 bar then mulitply yer psi which comes out to like 70whp for 5psi. divide those and thats close to 15whp er sumthin like that idk i explained it in the last post.
First off what was ur 1/4 mile time and speed?
now on to your equation...
so i take your rwhp (which u dont know cuz you've never dyno'd, so we will use my NA numbers and my boost numbers)177 and divide that my 14.7 which is 12.04 then multiply that by the lbs of boost 16...192. Now you are saying thats the gains from the "turbo." Ok so my na rwhp 177 plus the 192 gains is only 369 rwhp!??
Now my car has been on the "LIE DETECTOR!" It pumped out almost 100 more hp than your lil equation comes out to be?
Now to the turbo set-up, you say its a hybrid? With no oil return? And the feed line comes from oil pan? How is that possible, you need oil pressure to pump into the turbo!!! There is no pressure in the oil pan.
BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS
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I'm going to jump in, just because im interested, its summer, and im bored at home.
You are asking all these questions, but you already have it installed? And you say it makes 275rwhp. To me it seems that the damn car doesnt even run correctly with the turbo, so how did you make 275 on a non-working turbo system? haha now my favorite part.... By seat of the pants and your calculations, your friend told you that you have 275 rwhp, so you believe him. Well my friend told me i must have 300 rwhp because its a lot faster than his car... but oh wait, he drives a cavalier! You can't possibly know exact horsepower until its strapped into the dyno. You are rediculous, good day.
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Go mods: U/D Pulley, BBK CAI and 65 mm TB, Pypes Violators dual exhaust with stock cats and an h-pipe, upper intake spacer, j-mod, SCT X3 tuner, and 3.73 gears and t-lock.
Show mods: Sequential tail light kit, GT fog lights, 8" shorty antenna, hood shocks, HID headlights, 17x9 inch Mach 1 rims wrapped in Vredestein Ultracs, and a chin spoiler.
No oil return line, so while your car is running your turbo is cooking oil inside itself? You can't be that ignorant can you? Where are picture of your non-existent turbo setup? Where did you find a 2.5" throttle body last I checked they were in MM not inches.
2.5 is the stock throttle body. sorry i didnt go european on yer ass. and this thing claims to not need a oil return line. i'm looking all around the turbo right now and i just see a feed line port. idk dont get pissed at me for something new they invented. the thing is working fine and staying cool so idk why yer complaining.
First off what was ur 1/4 mile time and speed?
now on to your equation...
so i take your rwhp (which u dont know cuz you've never dyno'd, so we will use my NA numbers and my boost numbers)177 and divide that my 14.7 which is 12.04 then multiply that by the lbs of boost 16...192. Now you are saying thats the gains from the "turbo." Ok so my na rwhp 177 plus the 192 gains is only 369 rwhp!??
Now my car has been on the "LIE DETECTOR!" It pumped out almost 100 more hp than your lil equation comes out to be?
Now to the turbo set-up, you say its a hybrid? With no oil return? And the feed line comes from oil pan? How is that possible, you need oil pressure to pump into the turbo!!! There is no pressure in the oil pan.
BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS
your using stock numbers dude why dont you understand that? i'm basing my turbo off of what my engine has since ya know thats kinda the reason why i put the turbo on cuz i want more than 215rwhp.
my quarter mile is 12.9-13.1 and my speed is in the vicinity of 105mph to 108mph
you tap a hole in the pan, change your oil, insert the line and put the pan on.
just for future reference so all of you wont bomb me for this i know what a hybrid turbo is its got a smaller housing and a larger turbine. thats not why it doesnt have an oil return line tho. that is just how its designed. idk how to explain it. you can run an engine with no antifreeze for a good 50 miles driving it hard. even tho thats bad to the car i'd think the turbo is on a smaller scale. unless your racing a marathon i'd think the turbo would do just fine for how its designed.
I'm going to jump in, just because im interested, its summer, and im bored at home.
You are asking all these questions, but you already have it installed? And you say it makes 275rwhp. To me it seems that the damn car doesnt even run correctly with the turbo, so how did you make 275 on a non-working turbo system? haha now my favorite part.... By seat of the pants and your calculations, your friend told you that you have 275 rwhp, so you believe him. Well my friend told me i must have 300 rwhp because its a lot faster than his car... but oh wait, he drives a cavalier! You can't possibly know exact horsepower until its strapped into the dyno. You are rediculous, good day.
drag times. years of experience. and actually worked for ford for over 15 years. my friend isnt some douche bag in high school running his mouth cuz my stang beat his cavilier(are you satisfied with that accomplishment?) he's a family friend that has worked on everything fom these little stangs all the way up to s7's and roush customs.
who said my turbo system isnt working? i said i wasnt satisfied with it because i think a different position would decrease the turbo lag.
your ridiculous for fabricating my stories dude. get yer **** straight. good day.
And you say it makes 275rwhp. To me it seems that the damn car doesnt even run correctly with the turbo, so how did you make 275 on a non-working turbo system?
You can't possibly know exact horsepower until its strapped into the dyno. You are rediculous, good day.
