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Old 09-15-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Default bumper vs bumper cover...

i installed a true dual and i want to get a gt bumper with the cutouts but i see that there are bumpers and bumper covers..... what is the difference???
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The bumpers are behind the bumper cover. What you want is the bumper cover.

This is the actual bumper.
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er the mustang in that picture appears to be turbo AND supercharged?.. i just find that amusing lol
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ok thanks for clearing that up for me
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er the mustang in that picture appears to be turbo AND supercharged?.. i just find that amusing lol
lol i was thinking the same thing... i think that was a 4.6L though cuz i see a coolant expansion tank.
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lol i was thinking the same thing... i think that was a 4.6L though cuz i see a coolant expansion tank.
haha yeah seems like it is.. but its still odd/redundant/ineffective isnt it? dual charging it isnt nearly as effective.. tho i did just do a quick google search and saw VW has some engines like that.. pretty cool idea if you ask me.. sorry for kinda hijacking the thread
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haha yeah seems like it is.. but its still odd/redundant/ineffective isnt it? dual charging it isnt nearly as effective.. tho i did just do a quick google search and saw VW has some engines like that.. pretty cool idea if you ask me.. sorry for kinda hijacking the thread
ineffective sorta .. that mustang makes 1200 hp on a stock internals i beleive the whole point of keeping the supercharger it to have instang spool and a whole bunch of low end torque if you ask me 1200 is quite a bit and i would deffentitly drive that ...o yah the bumper cover is the plastic part outside that you see and the metal is the inside ... you want the cover
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yeah reading the article more gave me a better idea why someone'd do it.. i could swear i remembered someone saying on here that its dumb to do both.. but whatever.. it really is the best way so far to get instant and consistant boost like that
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yeah reading the article more gave me a better idea why someone'd do it.. i could swear i remembered someone saying on here that its dumb to do both.. but whatever.. it really is the best way so far to get instant and consistant boost like that
Hate to prove ya wrong - but it is kind of a dumb idea to do both, since you end up limiting the strong points of each type of FI. Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords did some research on this - it was an OK system, but it was much less power than a turbo-only setup, and still suffered lag (that a SC-only setup would not have). They found the turbo never got it's full potential at high rpms since the SC was dragging on system... and the SC still had to push the turbo (even though it's thru the exhaust) at low rpms, so there was still lag. I'll see if I can find the article...

And I think I was that person that said it was dumb. haha
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Found that article: 2003 Mustang Cobra With A Boost - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine

While it may not be dumb, it is rather overcomplicated for what it accomplishes -- it falls somewhere in between the two (has instant torque, but not as much as the SC alone, and has higher power, though not as much as a turbo alone) If you want peak power, use turbos. If you instant street torque, use an SC. If you want coolness, use the combo
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Found that article: 2003 Mustang Cobra With A Boost - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine

While it may not be dumb, it is rather overcomplicated for what it accomplishes -- it falls somewhere in between the two (has instant torque, but not as much as the SC alone, and has higher power, though not as much as a turbo alone) If you want peak power, use turbos. If you instant street torque, use an SC. If you want coolness, use the combo
i think that last bit is mainly what i was thinking.. itll be more effective all around than either but not as powerful as one or the other... tho with that vw engine they said the s/c had a clutch that disengaged it so it wasnt always dragging in higher rpm's
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i think that last bit is mainly what i was thinking.. itll be more effective all around than either but not as powerful as one or the other... tho with that vw engine they said the s/c had a clutch that disengaged it so it wasnt always dragging in higher rpm's
That's interesting idea... but it sounds too complex for me (i.e. - too many parts that could break!). I'll just be happy with one kind of FI.

The thing to remember is that the boost they developed in the manifold was higher than the just adding the boost of each -- 7psi of the turbo + 11 psi of SC equaled 23psi at the manifold, instead of 18! For our engines, which max out ~11psi (street-modded, not full race) -- we would need like a 5psi SC and a 3psi turbo: kinda ridiculous! It would cool as hell, though...

Anyway (we dragged this out for a while! )
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well yeah.. it was interesting though.. and silverV6 got everything answered so no harm done
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