Hey guys, kind of new around here and I am making a plan to turn my v6 mustang in to a 300+ HP menses at the race track. I want to do a super six power pack head swap, port and polish with the sheet metal intake, and get forged internals every thing to make this engine bullet proof. I eventually want to get a turbo charger + intercooler and run about 15 psi, may be more with the forged internals. My question is what turbocharger should I be looking at, and will any of the other mods I plan affect the turbo charger.
Already have GT take off exhaust installed but i think i will upgrade this later with the turbocharger.
Future mods include
Engine
8.2 dished forged pistons Wiseco but “I don’t know about compression height???”
Forged H beam rods
216/244 cam
Adjustable roller rocker arms
Supper six stage 3 power pack
Which will include
Ported upper intake: possible future upgrade to SSX sheet metal intake?
Ported lower intake
Super six supper heads
And choice of cam listed above 216/244
Held together with ARP Head Studs for 3.8 Motors
And Ford OE Metal Head Gaskets + Ford Front Cover Gaskets
APS 45% Under drive pulleys + 10% water pump
Lightning 90mm MAF $180
And also ??? Anything that will make the engine stronger??? I know I need to change the gears but would it make sence to put a 4:10 in with a larger turbo I mean the low gear rate will give you more power in the low end of the power band and then the larger turbo it would give you the missing power in the higher rpms of the power band???
Hey guys, kind of new around here and I am making a plan to turn my v6 mustang in to a 300+ HP menses at the race track. I want to do a super six power pack head swap, port and polish with the sheet metal intake, and get forged internals every thing to make this engine bullet proof. I eventually want to get a turbo charger + intercooler and run about 15 psi, may be more with the forged internals. My question is what turbocharger should I be looking at, and will any of the other mods I plan affect the turbo charger.
Already have GT take off exhaust installed but i think i will upgrade this later with the turbocharger.
Future mods include
Engine
8.2 dished forged pistons Wiseco but “I don’t know about compression height???”
Forged H beam rods
216/244 cam
Adjustable roller rocker arms
Supper six stage 3 power pack
Which will include
Ported upper intake: possible future upgrade to SSX sheet metal intake?
Ported lower intake
Super six supper heads
And choice of cam listed above 216/244
Held together with ARP Head Studs for 3.8 Motors
And Ford OE Metal Head Gaskets + Ford Front Cover Gaskets
APS 45% Under drive pulleys + 10% water pump
Lightning 90mm MAF $180
And also ??? Anything that will make the engine stronger??? I know I need to change the gears but would it make sence to put a 4:10 in with a larger turbo I mean the low gear rate will give you more power in the low end of the power band and then the larger turbo it would give you the missing power in the higher rpms of the power band???
Thanks for your help
Racerwalsh has the turbo kit for your needs.
For the hp/dollar, go with an ATI procharger. Turbos tend to split blocks.
Supersix motorsports can build a combo for turbos, and Morana has super strength blocks for turbo applilcations.
you'd need a T-bird SC block, or 2001+ blocks to run it, but superchargers are much more reliable, and they're cheaper.
there are folks that run a modified GNX setup, as the needs are the same -But the block is the major factor in turbo applications.
Lets go. With the gear ratio lets say 3.73's you will get a faster take off but your top end would suffer becuase you would reach redline quicker. The lower the gears, say 3.27's you will have a little sluggest take off but your top end would be better then that of a 3.73 gear ratio.
If you are wanting to push 300 ponie out of your stang it isnt quite that hard. I have maybe 240 through mine and there is still alot I can do to get alot more. When it comes to turbo charger you will have to think about the under the hood space. Sure you can make a V6 into a turbo menace, but why stop at one. The V6 is a perfect set up for a twin turbo due to the space that we have under our hoods.
SSX has some good parts forged and all but are you willing to give them 1700 for a few forged parts when you dont have to look that way until at least 350 or 400 hp and 18psi unless that is your goal for now. All that power isnt going to do you very good if you cant put it to the ground. I reccomend upgrading your suspension first off, throw in a sway bar, some drag launch springs upgrade the upper and lower control arms front and rear, might need a rear shock brace, a strut tower brace, new K member, some better shocks/struts. The last thing you should do is get a turbo put on your car if your not ready for it.
Im waiting to upgrade my suspension right now so I can throw on the ATI procharger, wont do me any good if I sit there and spin my tires (even though I do that now).
Ask and you shall receieve. Thats what we are here for.
For the hp/dollar, go with an ATI procharger. Turbos tend to split blocks.
Supersix motorsports can build a combo for turbos, and Morana has super strength blocks for turbo applilcations.
you'd need a T-bird SC block, or 2001+ blocks to run it, but superchargers are much more reliable, and they're cheaper.
there are folks that run a modified GNX setup, as the needs are the same -But the block is the major factor in turbo applications.
humm so you are saying I need a completely new engine??? that sux I thought that the 3.8 was a farley tough block that was similar to the 5.0 with 2 less cylinders??? 6.5gs for a whole new engine is quit a bit because I have to factor in all the labor I know that it’s going to be like a whole basket of money, 2-3 gs worth, for the install. Think about what you are saying I will have to replace wiring harnesses and everything else. If I was going to do a complete engine swap I would put a ford racing engine in like the 510, it would be around the same price with like twice the displacement. Then I would go from there but I want to keep in the block the same redo the heads, cam, and intake make it as indestructible as possible and throw a turbo on there. When I take this thing to the track people are going to think slow ass 3.8 that runs 15's but I want to see the looks on there faces when I run 13's and 12's and possibly break in to the high 11's constantly with out leaving parts of my engine all over the track. so I guess what I am really looking for is all the ways to make the stock 3.8 block stronger with the internals that I listed and ssx super heads + all port work. if you could give me a list of ways to make the block stronger, with parts so I can add them to my wish list.
Lets go. With the gear ratio lets say 3.73's you will get a faster take off but your top end would suffer becuase you would reach redline quicker. The lower the gears, say 3.27's you will have a little sluggest take off but your top end would be better then that of a 3.73 gear ratio.
If you are wanting to push 300 ponie out of your stang it isnt quite that hard. I have maybe 240 through mine and there is still alot I can do to get alot more. When it comes to turbo charger you will have to think about the under the hood space. Sure you can make a V6 into a turbo menace, but why stop at one. The V6 is a perfect set up for a twin turbo due to the space that we have under our hoods.
SSX has some good parts forged and all but are you willing to give them 1700 for a few forged parts when you dont have to look that way until at least 350 or 400 hp and 18psi unless that is your goal for now. All that power isnt going to do you very good if you cant put it to the ground. I reccomend upgrading your suspension first off, throw in a sway bar, some drag launch springs upgrade the upper and lower control arms front and rear, might need a rear shock brace, a strut tower brace, new K member, some better shocks/struts. The last thing you should do is get a turbo put on your car if your not ready for it.
Im waiting to upgrade my suspension right now so I can throw on the ATI procharger, wont do me any good if I sit there and spin my tires (even though I do that now).
Ask and you shall receieve. Thats what we are here for.
hey thanks for the tips with the suspension i will keep it in mined good point and i will look into all that stuff but for now I was just planing the engine, the suspension is going to be a whole other battle of planing, kinda staring with the bullit suspension package
easiest way to make the 3.8L strong enough to handle 20psi is to ... ... get a forged block with forged internals. Other then that, your going to be blowing gasket after gasket and its going to piss you off more then anything. You can get a 5.0 and stroke it to a 351 with forged internals, that would be your best bet. Then save the 3.8 and work on it out of the car becuase labor shops charge you for working on the car becuase its such a pain in the ass to do this and that. You might want to concider trying to do somethings yourself, like heads and cams and alot more. There are some usfull internet forums and tech videos out there that can teach this. Engine swaps arent fun, but they are easier then you think. Once you understand how a basic engine works its all down hill from there.
humm so you are saying I need a completely new engine??? that sux I thought that the 3.8 was a farley tough block that was similar to the 5.0 with 2 less cylinders??? 6.5gs for a whole new engine is quit a bit because I have to factor in all the labor I know that it’s going to be like a whole basket of money, 2-3 gs worth, for the install. Think about what you are saying I will have to replace wiring harnesses and everything else. If I was going to do a complete engine swap I would put a ford racing engine in like the 510, it would be around the same price with like twice the displacement. Then I would go from there but I want to keep in the block the same redo the heads, cam, and intake make it as indestructible as possible and throw a turbo on there. When I take this thing to the track people are going to think slow ass 3.8 that runs 15's but I want to see the looks on there faces when I run 13's and 12's and possibly break in to the high 11's constantly with out leaving parts of my engine all over the track. so I guess what I am really looking for is all the ways to make the stock 3.8 block stronger with the internals that I listed and ssx super heads + all port work. if you could give me a list of ways to make the block stronger, with parts so I can add them to my wish list.
Cheapest way is to get a remanufactured SC 3.8L motor from a t-bird from O'Reillys ($1750)sell the t-bird heads, intake, etc, on e-bay (should recoup 500-$1,000), throw 99+ heads and intake on the car, and you're set for anything.
I'd get a girdle from Morana, for sure, and you'll need a girdle for the rear end, but you'd have forged internals, cheaply.
BTW, the 3.8L is a copy of the 3.8L Buick engine, not a 5.0L minus two cylinders.
I say go with 373s or 410s you're choice, and the only way that you can install them will be with a chip to fix you're rev limiter, that way you have fast take off and you wont loose you're top end speed. If you installed gears with out the chip then whats the point, you will max out at 75 mph.? and even if you get lower than 373's you will still max out eventually, so just get the 373 or 410's + the chip. You're gonna end up paying the same thing for the istall no matter what gear ratio you go with.
what size turbo should i be looking for 
and even if you get lower than 373's you will still max out eventually, so just get the 373 or 410's + the chip. You're gonna end up paying the same thing for the istall no matter what gear ratio you go with.
