My son and I are looking at building our '97 V6. I have a new 351 and a 460 block. Should I just stroke out the V6 and enjoy. Or try to drop in the big block. I figured all the V6 people entertained the thought and hope you would have some good ideas for a starting point.
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It's going to be expensive, becase you have to deal with the computer, wiring, and PATS + the driveline.
But if you're doing a totaloly custom application, the best way to do it is with the six, as the frame/torque boxes/ etc are generally in good shape.
You're going to have to swap out the rear end, springs, shocks, brakes, and Tranny, and you should reinforce the torque boxes and the subframes before putting in that kind of torque.
Big Block applications are notorious for cracking the floorpan and the frame near the windshield.
If you get it braced BEFORE you put in the windsor or 460, you should be in pretty good shape.
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I think for the first time project it makes sense to use what you have. That was good advice.
What are the goals you're shooting for?
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We'd like to get this into a nice street/strip setup, my son thinks it will be a top fueler so he has a lot to learn. I'm looking into stroking it, find a nice cam that has some rumble but won't knock your fillings out. New aluminum heads will be a big decision, lots of sites on how to do your own port and polish, but is that wise when you spend big bucks on new heads? At that point I'll have to screw with the computer. Next i've gotten back some pricing on the tremec 5 speed tranny. Next would be to chunk the 7.5 rear and move to an 8.8, but I have read to much on how you can beef up the 7.5 and it will push just fine. After that some suspension and paint. I'm not sure if 11's are possible, but it would be fun for us on the weekends. I took him to the nascar race in vegas last march and he became a car nut. Biffle's old stomping ground tri-city raceway is in my backyard but they closed up so no circles, "not that I'd do it in a mustang" and it looks like an 1/8th or 1/4 mile strip will have to do. The hardest part has been just to order something, we are too worried we will buy the wrong part, so the car has sat in the garage since december. At least we have read alot.
We'd like to get this into a nice street/strip setup, my son thinks it will be a top fueler so he has a lot to learn. I'm looking into stroking it, find a nice cam that has some rumble but won't knock your fillings out. New aluminum heads will be a big decision, lots of sites on how to do your own port and polish, but is that wise when you spend big bucks on new heads? At that point I'll have to screw with the computer. Next i've gotten back some pricing on the tremec 5 speed tranny. Next would be to chunk the 7.5 rear and move to an 8.8, but I have read to much on how you can beef up the 7.5 and it will push just fine. After that some suspension and paint. I'm not sure if 11's are possible, but it would be fun for us on the weekends. I took him to the nascar race in vegas last march and he became a car nut. Biffle's old stomping ground tri-city raceway is in my backyard but they closed up so no circles, "not that I'd do it in a mustang" and it looks like an 1/8th or 1/4 mile strip will have to do. The hardest part has been just to order something, we are too worried we will buy the wrong part, so the car has sat in the garage since december. At least we have read alot.
6ers are running 9s.
There are no heads for the 3.8L, only porting and polishing -but they are wilder heads than you may think.
I've lobbied Edelbrock, but no movement so far. But 9s running OEM heads . . .
Anyway, 500+hp is possible now with the Ford V6 . . . as with anything it's more how much do you want to spend more than how fast do you want to go ..
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Point me in the right direction. I have a good machine shop. How can we start with the bottom end, for a stock '97. Where would I find the info for the blocks max bore, crank stroke, rod type and length, and type of piston size. Or is this just a stroker kit? I'm assuming we would need fordged internals. I would love this rig super charged or 500hp aspirated would be great. Budget is unlimited until my son loses interest. I'll send pics and keep you informed. 500HP is our new goal, what a monster you have created. KSCoyote thanks.
The reason I brought up the big block questions earlier in the stang. Because I love the roots blower.... Maybe the blocks can go in our boats. We do not accept donations, just send 5 gal containers of fuel. The hydros are coming in this weekend for the thunder on the columbia, some serious HP when those turbines crank over. 190+ mph is sick for 30' boats.
For instance, if the little V6 can get 500 HP: lets start lower end.
what crank would I use?
what connecting rods?
what would be a good piston?
I'll also assume my shop would know the bore when he gets the block and pistons?
For instance, if the little V6 can get 500 HP: lets start lower end.
what crank would I use?
what connecting rods?
what would be a good piston?
I'll also assume my shop would know the bore when he gets the block and pistons?
You should use a forged crank from a T-bird SC, the block from an 03+ is best -it has the most support and webbing. There are a number of forged pistons, I'm looking for a set of Cosworth Pistons, but I'm probably going to have to lobby them hard. When I'm ready for my build, I'll start with the lobbying.
Scat makes the rods, but there are a number you can use, depending on pistons, including some for Chrysler.
You'll also need a block support girdle from Morana for something with that much power.
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Point me in the right direction. I have a good machine shop. How can we start with the bottom end, for a stock '97. Where would I find the info for the blocks max bore, crank stroke, rod type and length, and type of piston size. Or is this just a stroker kit? I'm assuming we would need fordged internals. I would love this rig super charged or 500hp aspirated would be great. Budget is unlimited until my son loses interest. I'll send pics and keep you informed. 500HP is our new goal, what a monster you have created. KSCoyote thanks.
The reason I brought up the big block questions earlier in the stang. Because I love the roots blower.... Maybe the blocks can go in our boats. We do not accept donations, just send 5 gal containers of fuel. The hydros are coming in this weekend for the thunder on the columbia, some serious HP when those turbines crank over. 190+ mph is sick for 30' boats.
There are stroker kits which in combination with an overbore can get you 4.4L, but when the stroke gets that long, centrifugal SC units aren't so good, and it's usually better to have a short stroke for everything except Roots SC units.
I THINK you may be able to adapt one of Morana's Universal Intakes for a twin-screw outside of the smallish Eaton M-90 (which will only work with T-Bird SC intake and heads, but I haven't really looked at it . . . That would be a wild combination!
Where do you live? I haven't seen boats like that outside of the coasts and the Ozarks . .
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
There are stroker kits which in combination with an overbore can get you 4.4L, but when the stroke gets that long, centrifugal SC units aren't so good, and it's usually better to have a short stroke for everything except Roots SC units.
I THINK you may be able to adapt one of Morana's Universal Intakes for a twin-screw outside of the smallish Eaton M-90 (which will only work with T-Bird SC intake and heads, but I haven't really looked at it . . . That would be a wild combination!
Where do you live? I haven't seen boats like that outside of the coasts and the Ozarks . .
Thanks for your help we have a good start. We live about 200 miles southeast of seattle. The boats are in this weekend Kennewick/Pasco area of the Columbia river. Then I think they head to lake washington around seattle. You never want to see anyone hurt but when the unlimited hydro's get up on their sponsons, catch air and have a blow over at 180mph. it is pretty awesome. To see a 30' boat flipping around in the air like a rag doll just gives ya chills.
I'll get some pics together from the race and post them for you this weekend. the boats are unloading now, the cranes are their to put them in the water but I'm not sure if they will test today.
Point me in the right direction. I have a good machine shop. How can we start with the bottom end, for a stock '97. Where would I find the info for the blocks max bore, crank stroke, rod type and length, and type of piston size. Or is this just a stroker kit? I'm assuming we would need fordged internals. I would love this rig super charged or 500hp aspirated would be great. Budget is unlimited until my son loses interest. I'll send pics and keep you informed. 500HP is our new goal, what a monster you have created. KSCoyote thanks.
The reason I brought up the big block questions earlier in the stang. Because I love the roots blower.... Maybe the blocks can go in our boats. We do not accept donations, just send 5 gal containers of fuel. The hydros are coming in this weekend for the thunder on the columbia, some serious HP when those turbines crank over. 190+ mph is sick for 30' boats.
Here's a basic tech guide on rebuilding the Essex 3.8/4.2L
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I called our local ford dealership, the wanted $1200.00 for a 2003 3.8L block. I've searched like summit racing and other sites but maybe because it's a small motor no one carries it cheaper. I'm almost inclined tobuy a larger built motor but it would defeat the purpose of building it on our own. I'm curios now whether a 4.6L would drop in or would require major mods or computer changes. That block might be easier to find.
I called our local ford dealership, the wanted $1200.00 for a 2003 3.8L block. I've searched like summit racing and other sites but maybe because it's a small motor no one carries it cheaper. I'm almost inclined tobuy a larger built motor but it would defeat the purpose of building it on our own. I'm curios now whether a 4.6L would drop in or would require major mods or computer changes. That block might be easier to find.
You don't want Ford's block for high hp applications. you'd still have the OEM crank, pistons, etc.
You should start with salvaged block (you can get them for $75) and build from there.
What kind of mechanic capability do you have available? as in tools machines, lifts, etc.,
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