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so does a diagnostic tell you excactly whats wrong or if there is something wrong?? my check engine light isnt on!! does the diagnostic pick up problems that the obd2 wouldnt catch or pick up???
yes, they take each likely part and test it.

For example, my alternator output is low -but not enough to set off the CEL. I've got to replace my alternator, but it only showed up as my battery died twice in less than a month.

That had never happened before even with the underdrivers.
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ok guys heres the news.... i decided to bring it it and have i diagnostics test done on it and after sitting there waiting for 3 hours while they were looking at it i was told... that the engine pings after 3200 rpms, has low power when reaches about that rpm, and the MAF sensor was showing a low reading of under 5gm/sec and they cleaned it and brought the reading up above 5gm/sec.... and they said the scanner indicates low fuel pressure at times, and the IMRC has no operation at all and when driving it has a high coolant temp always at 222deg. and doesnt change but they said depending on where it is located or something about that.... but they said something about the scan tool showing the temp around where it should be!! but they also said after doing so many tests that they need more time to do a couple more tests and recommended more diag. , decarbon eng. injection clean, and needed to check and verify the EGR vac passage is open and not carbon built up around there!!!! he said after cleaning the MAF it had a lil more feel of power to it!!! so i paid $100 for the time they lokked at it today and they say im lookin at spendin at least another couple hundred for the recommended services that should be done!!! he also said theres no misfiring at all either!! so thats what they know so far and im suppose to bring it back up there in the next few days for them to do more diag with it!!

any comments you guys have about all thatt info??

well ill post and let ya know after i found out more!!
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Well we were pretty close Dashiznit. As far as the rest of the work, I believe you did alot of it already, so you should know how to do the rest if you want to save some cash. You can take off the EGR valve and check to see if it is built up on the intake. I think we mentioned it in the past to check. It sounds like you have alot of build up from the MAF sensor not reading so well. As far as carbon build up, we used to pour very little water into the carb when it was running to break up the carbon. I now use a quart tranny fluid in the tank every so often to clean out the build up and clean the O2 sensors. The stuff had worked great for me, and you can tell it runs better by the amount of water coming out of the exhaust.

Has anyone heard of this method, or is it just a backwoods trick I learned from a mechanic?
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oh i also forgot to mention that he said he thinks its runnin a lil lean and what not too!!! but yeah i dont really have the cash to be paying someone to fix my car... yeah i do recall u mentioning checking for build up at the egr i just havent gotten around to checking that yet... but im gonna check that today and hopefully fix the other things also!!! but i guess ill find out!! u said u put a quart of tranny fluid in the tank... meaning in the gas tank or what?? that helps with the carbon build up how??
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Yeah, a quart in of Dextron ATF in a full tank of gas help clean out the system of carbon build up. I've used it with no drawbacks.

Running lean could be from clogged injectors.
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yeah thats the same thing the mechanic said also... i just recently seafoamed my engine... through the pcv valve or whatever, isnt that what that was for was to clean out the injectors and what not?? so what is the difference in using ATF in a tank of gas versus like seafoam or something?? the seafoam shoulda cleaned the injectors somewhat right?? what is your recommendation on what to use or whatever?? ATF or seafoam, or something else?
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oh and is using ATF in the gas tank safe for the engine and all??
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oh and one thing i didnt mention when i posted what the mechanic told me was that he said he did a manual vacuum test or something and he said when he did something the car would run really rough but then he said something else about it shouldve bogged and died out but it didnt... something like that he was saying!!
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oh i also forgot to mention that he said he thinks its runnin a lil lean and what not too!!! but yeah i dont really have the cash to be paying someone to fix my car... yeah i do recall u mentioning checking for build up at the egr i just havent gotten around to checking that yet... but im gonna check that today and hopefully fix the other things also!!! but i guess ill find out!! u said u put a quart of tranny fluid in the tank... meaning in the gas tank or what?? that helps with the carbon build up how??
What's killing you is the IMRC not opening. The leanness is due to the low voltage on the MAF.

That should be fixed, now.

If you replaced your EGR, you should be fine except for the IMRC.
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Huh????

Maybe he did the EGR test. If it is working, it should have bogged down the motor. I use ATF, it seems to work really well. It won't hurt your motor. In fact, you will see a jump in your MPG as well. One guy up here uses a quart on every tank and confirms that he get an extra 3 MPG. He's really anal, so he logs everytime he goes to the gas station and records his mileage and amount of gas he puts in. When he doesn't use it, his MPG goes down.

If you want your injectors cleaned, you can always go to Midas. They have a good 3 step program too.
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yeah thats the same thing the mechanic said also... i just recently seafoamed my engine... through the pcv valve or whatever, isnt that what that was for was to clean out the injectors and what not?? so what is the difference in using ATF in a tank of gas versus like seafoam or something?? the seafoam shoulda cleaned the injectors somewhat right?? what is your recommendation on what to use or whatever?? ATF or seafoam, or something else?
Yeah, seafoam should have cleared it up.

ATF, diluted in the gas tank won't hurt anything. -But I don't know how that would work . . . .
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From what I was told, the additive in the ATF used to be the same ingredient used in the older FI cleaners which is now banned by the EPA. Enough abbreviations?

Hey KS, maybe you could try this to see if your MPG goes up..... 1 quart to a full tank. 2 quarts if you really want to give it a good whack, but it may ping a bit.
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From what I was told, the additive in the ATF used to be the same ingredient used in the older FI cleaners which is now banned by the EPA. Enough abbreviations?

Hey KS, maybe you could try this to see if your MPG goes up..... 1 quart to a full tank. 2 quarts if you really want to give it a good whack, but it may ping a bit.
My car's been on jackstands for the past month.

Waterpump and alternator went out (both lasted 25,000 miles longer than usual) . . . The dealership wanted to charge me $500 for the waterpump, and $300 for the alternator.

Now, since my tools were stolen, it's been cheaper to have the dealership do the work, but $430 worth of labor on the waterpump buys a lot of tools -Spent $250 on tools (Craftsman -since all those Chinese made tools broke, and with the exception of a few REALLY REALLY COOL tools I used to have, that's generally what I've gotten [one of my REALLY REALLY COOL tools I used to have was a socket with a gear reduction drive of like 5:1 -I miss that tool when wrenching in tight locations . . .])

Had to save for three weeks, eating nothing but beans and ham thanks to my ex, and ordered a GMB waterpump, from Summitt (none of the shops had any in stock, anyway) thinking it would be made in the USA, and it WAS a high performance pump -turns out it's made in Japan!

So anyway, Summitt didn't have any either, and it was on backorder for 3 weeks (arrived last Saturday). I got the pump on, and have been doing some work I haven't been able to do on the car for the past three weeks (rust removal at the SF welds and undercarriage, installing some parts that have been waiting in the garage, etc).

I'm STILL waiting on the radiator hoses from Goodyear -seems they're on strike.

I'm driving the Focus I sold to my dad, right now . . . Got stuck in the snow twice already -that car sux in the snow. I got around better in my Mustang . . .
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That bites KS. Too bad you live so far away, I would have been over there in a heartbeat. Dealers really love to stick it to you. I deal with them everyday with the trucks here at work. I had a van that needed an intake manifold gasket. They called me up to inform me that someone had cut and spliced the wires for the IAC. Of course they were the only ones that have ever worked on it, so they tried to charge me for the sensor and harness along with an hour of labor at $85.00. I told them that they can replace the harness, but better not charge me for the labor or the sensor considering it is off already.

Reality kind of set in when you fired up the Focus? I can send you a window sticker to add the extra HP to get you out of the snow..... I stare at my car every morning before leaving for work, and it kills me not to drive it. Maybe I'll move somewhere warm when my house sells. I'm currently in the downsizing mode because it is only my Daughter and myself living in a huge 4 bedroom home. I don't need all that room anymore, and it will free up assets for the SC install.
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Wow that really sucks, i was looking at the morana electric water pump, what do you think about that? could i still use the motoblue underdrive crank pulley?
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