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Shifter play while in gear, is this normal?

I have quite a bit of shifter side to side play while in any gear (I'll grab a video of it shortly). It doesn't feel normal, but I'm new to the S197 platform.



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Sounds like the bushings in the shifter linkage are worn out. Good excuse to upgrade to a short throw shifter such as MGW or Barton.



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Sounds like the bushings in the shifter linkage are worn out. Good excuse to upgrade to a short throw shifter such as MGW or Barton.

I think you are right. I updated with a video.



Does anyone have an MGW or Barton they could do a similar video with? I was thinking MGW flatshifter with the blowfish v2 bracket.
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I have the Barton and it's fantastic. Highly recommend it.


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Does the car drive and shift fine? If so easy fix and good time to upgrade to that short throw I am sure you have been curious about getting. Been there done that on a S197, but it happened to me with a hurst short throw I had at the time.

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Does the car drive and shift fine? If so easy fix and good time to upgrade to that short throw I am sure you have been curious about getting. Been there done that on a S197, but it happened to me with a hurst short throw I had at the time.

Driving around low / mid rpm and shifting not too fast it does fine. Anything above 5,500rpm or close to redline I get mega lock out in 3rd gear. Sometimes 1st to 2nd as well but not as often.



Going from 2nd to 3rd shifting at redline I have to go to neutral, wait a second, then go to 3rd gear. Anything even remotely quick and I hit a wall.
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Obviously, sloppy shifting because of worn bushings won't help - but sounds like your synchros need a bit of an assist too. If I were you, I'd change out your gear oil with a good modern synthetic and see if that helps get you in and out of gear better. Definitely replace the bushings too, or you'll just be slopping around missing your shifts and grinding gears anyway.
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You could replace the bushings in the stock shifter but you'd be much happier with an aftermarket short throw unit. Then it won't feel like you're stirring soup every time you change gears. This is the reason why the gears aren't engaging cleanly.


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Driving around low / mid rpm and shifting not too fast it does fine. Anything above 5,500rpm or close to redline I get mega lock out in 3rd gear. Sometimes 1st to 2nd as well but not as often.



Going from 2nd to 3rd shifting at redline I have to go to neutral, wait a second, then go to 3rd gear. Anything even remotely quick and I hit a wall.
That sounds normal for a sloppy shifter with worn parts, but sounds like everything else is ok. I wouldn't dive it to hard right now or you will damage the synchros if you haven't already. Order a shifter and install and you will be all set!

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Obviously, sloppy shifting because of worn bushings won't help - but sounds like your synchros need a bit of an assist too. If I were you, I'd change out your gear oil with a good modern synthetic and see if that helps get you in and out of gear better. Definitely replace the bushings too, or you'll just be slopping around missing your shifts and grinding gears anyway.

Good call, I'll do that first and see what happens. 3.15 quarts Mercon ATF?


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You could replace the bushings in the stock shifter but you'd be much happier with an aftermarket short throw unit. Then it won't feel like you're stirring soup every time you change gears. This is the reason why the gears aren't engaging cleanly.

Yeah, I wouldn't turn down a shorter throw. I grew up with manual cars, so this isn't anything new to me. But... This shifting being as sloppy as it is feels strange. First car with a remote mount shifter as well, so I guess an upgrade is in order. My original thought was an MGW Flatshifter with a BlowFish V2 bracket. Eliminate the remote mount altogether and do a new shifter on top of that.



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That sounds normal for a sloppy shifter with worn parts, but sounds like everything else is ok. I wouldn't dive it to hard right now or you will damage the synchros if you haven't already. Order a shifter and install and you will be all set!

I haven't really drove it super hard. My previous daily had a lot less power, so I'm still getting the hang of it. The gearing is insane tho, at the top of second I'm going 80mph...
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Good call, I'll do that first and see what happens. 3.15 quarts Mercon ATF?

There's a lot of controversy over which is best. Tremec recommends Havoline, but a lot of people say synthetic Mobil 1 ATF is great. GM synchromesh seems to work well too, but I have heard that it causes some problems down the line. Hard to guess the truth of it.

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I do think there are some better options than the original Mercon ATF; Mobil 1 ATF is the "de-facto standard" to my knowledge, and I thought I read some threads that said that Penzoil Synchromesh? was about the best . . . suggest you try some searches to find the threads with the latest on this.

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I'll probably go with Mobil 1. I've used that exclusively (motor oil) for years and numerous vehicles. Currently running Mobil 1 extended performance 10w-30 with a K&N filter. Would only make sense to go with Mobil 1 ATF.
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I have run the original fluid, Mobil-1, and Amsoil in mine; and I think the Mobil-1 and Amsoil were both a little smoother shifting than the original, but not a big difference. There was a thread on here with a "better" fluid but I don't remember if it was the Havoline or Pennzoil; but that's what I was going to try next time I change it. (I have been changing it every couple years because I road track the car)



Regarding 80 MPH in 2nd -- that seems a bit high from what I remember, from when I had the original 3.31 rear gears in mine; and I calculate 70 MPH at 6,500 RPM in 5th with the original 235/50-18 tires and 3.31 rear. Do you have taller tires or taller gearing?


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