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Vortech V3 - More boost needed!!

I currently have the Vortech V3 non-intercooled SC @ 8psi. I am going purchase the Vortech Power Cooler intercooler upgrade that includes a 10 psi pulley with a Brenspeed tune. My question is should I go for the 12psi pulley/Mafia from Brenspeed? Is 12psi too much for the stock internals? I would like to hear from anyone running this boost level on a stock motor.


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I currently have the Vortech V3 non-intercooled SC @ 8psi. I am going purchase the Vortech Power Cooler intercooler upgrade that includes a 10 psi pulley with a Brenspeed tune. My question is should I go for the 12psi pulley/Mafia from Brenspeed? Is 12psi too much for the stock internals? I would like to hear from anyone running this boost level on a stock motor.
Why don't you run a custom Air to Air intercooler like I did? You will never have to worry about cleaning out the tanks and the water getting hot because once that water gets hot in the tank you just heatsoak it and that is not good for performance at all.

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MMFF did a test on the Powercooler with temp sensors before and after the cooler and one in the water tank. On an 80F day with wide open pulls in 2nd gear the temp of the water in the tank never exceeded +10F ambient. Both types of intercooling have their pros and cons. Just curious if the stock motor can handle 12 psi of intercooled boost.

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10lbs of boost is the max i'd run on a stock block. at 12 psi you may be living on borrowed time

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MMFF did a test on the Powercooler with temp sensors before and after the cooler and one in the water tank. On an 80F day with wide open pulls in 2nd gear the temp of the water in the tank never exceeded +10F ambient. Both types of intercooling have their pros and cons. Just curious if the stock motor can handle 12 psi of intercooled boost.
I wouldn't run 12 pounds of boost on the stock block.. as much as I would love to agree with you I know company's love to skew numbers and make there products look better then what they are. I have never owned a water to air intercooler but I have heard people saying the water gets extremely hot after a while like going to the track.

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All boost isn't equal. 12 psi of boost from a positive displacement supercharger is different than 12 psi of boost from a turbocharger is different then 12 psi of boost from a centrifugal.

0.0 psi can be too much for the stock internals as in people with n/a engines can blow them...

Centrifugals are going to be more forgiving.... Your car is making boost in the upper rpms where it is less likely to experience detonation...

My car peeked at 13.84 psi. 10,000 miles and still running strong...

The forum talk was never more than ~450 rwhp with the stock internals. The guy I went to told me he knows plenty of people running 520+ rwhp on the stock internals without a problem...

If you're truly going to go that route, talk to a tuner that has experience....

Don't listen to a bunch of jamokes on a forum....

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All boost isn't equal. 12 psi of boost from a positive displacement supercharger is different than 12 psi of boost from a turbocharger is different then 12 psi of boost from a centrifugal.

0.0 psi can be too much for the stock internals as in people with n/a engines can blow them...

Centrifugals are going to be more forgiving.... Your car is making boost in the upper rpms where it is less likely to experience detonation...

My car peeked at 13.84 psi. 10,000 miles and still running strong...

The forum talk was never more than ~450 rwhp with the stock internals. The guy I went to told me he knows plenty of people running 520+ rwhp on the stock internals without a problem...

If you're truly going to go that route, talk to a tuner that has experience....

Don't listen to a bunch of jamokes on a forum....
And what if he blows his engine running more then 450 and doesn't have money for a new forged shortblock what does he do? I think it would be a lot better to run a safe tune with safe boost until he is able to get a forged engine. And also no engines are created equal some engines make more power then others and have higher tolerances.

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The guy I went to told me he knows plenty of people running 520+ rwhp on the stock internals without a problem
and I would not pay much attention to rwhp numbers either. 500 on one machine can be 400 on another. Rwhp numbers can be unreliable and misleading.


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And what if he blows his engine running more then 450 and doesn't have money for a new forged shortblock what does he do? I think it would be a lot better to run a safe tune with safe boost until he is able to get a forged engine. And also no engines are created equal some engines make more power then others and have higher tolerances.
Huh???

And what if he's running less than 450 hp with the 10 psi option and thinks he has a safe tune and still blows his engine?????

People blow engines with less than 450 hp. My point is there is no magic number....

Like I said, don't listen to a bunch of jamokes on a forum. If he's truly going to go that route, talk to a tuner that has experience....

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and I would not pay much attention to rwhp numbers either. 500 on one machine can be 400 on another. Rwhp numbers can be unreliable and misleading.
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Be very careful, I blew mine at 7.5 psi running a Vortech V-2 as it was being tuned. Motors are not the same...............
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OK the Power Cooler with 10psi pulley is on its way. I will hold off on the 12psi for now. It will take a couple weeks until I can get it installed and to the chassis dyno. Once I am all done I will post the results.

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Sweet!! Keep us posted man, im curious to see how well she does with the upgrade. Good luck

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