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Edelbrock's Dry NOS P/N 70410

Does anyone have any info on this setup? I saw it in the July 5.0 Mag. Stupid question if it is a Dry system why do you need a fuel solenoid? http://performanceparts.com/part.php?partID=320093

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Can anyone help me with this!!

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I'm just going out on a limb here, but I think the picture is incorrect. It looks like a chevy kit to me, not a s197. Our cars need an adapter for the fuel line, which is not in the picture. The add describes a nitrous nozzle and shows a wet plate system. Your right, there is obviously a problem. If you are really interested in the kit I would call Edelbrock and speak with someone. Good luck
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The plate in the picture is for an S197 throttle body, it looks just like an S197 throttle body spacer. This is clearly a wet system for an S197. In the picture you can see two solenoids, one for fuel and one for N20. You can also see the nozzles one the side of the throttle body plate. This actually looks like a great system as most N20 kits for an S197 require drilling a hole in the air intake tube for N20 injection, while this one has a built in throttle body plate for the injection. Nice.

P.S. If you look next to the black box with the wires hanging out you will see what I believe is the fuel rail adapter, a little silver thing.

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5twenty, I disagree with what you said. I see you have run nitrous on your mustang. How did you provide fuel if you ran a wet system? The new mustang needs a adapter since we don't have a schrader valve. There is also no nozzle in the picture, only a plate. The jets fit into fitings on the plate, that's not a nozzle. Fuel and nitrous are atomized and combine after exiting holes in the spray bars. The picture doesn't even show all required hardware for installation. The silver thing next to the box is the bottle nut which connects the bottle the the main nitrous line that runs through the car. Just trying to help DougMM,
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So a wet system runs additional fuel into the TB from a separate pump? And a dry system relies on you running super rich at higher RPMs while dumping in the nitrous alone?

Let me know if I am getting this wrong.

Ballpark, how many seconds of boost does a ten pound bottle hold for a N/A s197 w/ 100hp shot?

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5twenty, I disagree with what you said. I see you have run nitrous on your mustang. How did you provide fuel if you ran a wet system? The new mustang needs a adapter since we don't have a schrader valve. There is also no nozzle in the picture, only a plate. The jets fit into fitings on the plate, that's not a nozzle. Fuel and nitrous are atomized and combine after exiting holes in the spray bars. The picture doesn't even show all required hardware for installation. The silver thing next to the box is the bottle nut which connects the bottle the the main nitrous line that runs through the car. Just trying to help DougMM,
I'm sorry you disagree. It looks pretty clear to me. I see everything needed in that picture to have a working system and I've installed more than one nitrous system on a S197.

On my system I provide fuel through a fuel rail adaptor just like the one you see in the picture.

THE PLATE IS THE NOZZLE. See the connectors on the side of it for fuel and N20? It has a red nozzle for fuel and a blue one for N20 that connect to the corresponding red and blue hose.

Why are there 2 solenoids? It's a wet system, that's why.

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So a wet system runs additional fuel into the TB from a separate pump? And a dry system relies on you running super rich at higher RPMs while dumping in the nitrous alone?

Let me know if I am getting this wrong.

Ballpark, how many seconds of boost does a ten pound bottle hold for a N/A s197 w/ 100hp shot?
A wet system for the S197 provides fuel from the fuel rail.

A 10 pound bottle with a 100 shot nozzle will last for about 4-6 quarter mile runs before the pressure gets so low the remaining N20 is useless.

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LOL Everything posted about this system is wrong. I talked to them today and YES it's a wet system. Every post even the article in July 5.0 mag is wrong. Someone at Edelbrock needs to make this correct. I'm sorry for any problems with my post here but it was Edelbrock that was wrong with the info.
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5twenty, you win. You obviously know way more about nitrous than me. Anyone who can use a bottle nut as a fuel rail adapter has talent. I hope you can post a picture of your adapter so we can see it. So much for only giving people facts on the forum. I guess you dont need longer studs for the plate or to hold the bottle bracket to the car either. Or all the electrical parts, but everything needed is in the picture. I guess I should take my car to a "pro" from now on. DougMM good luck with the nitrous. I would give Brenspeed a call if you really want nitrous.
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DougMM, I'm glad you called Edelbrock to verify the facts. Smart move. I hope your S197 will be in the 11s on nitrous very soon, just like mine is. Even with my bottle nut fuel rail adapter I could run 11s interestingly enough.

I like that Edelbrock system. It proves you don't need traditional N20/Fuel nozzles to inject N20, although it appears for some that is difficult to understand, to me it seems like a superior system for the S197 because of the absense of those nozzles. Why drill into your intake to put in a nozzle when you can inject directly into the throttle body airstream?

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I have been thinking about a setup real close to yours. Do you have a traction control lock out? I know it is easy just to turn it off but It would suck to forget and have it turn on when you hit WOT and are spraying.
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I read that article in 5.0 too and thought the system looked real interesting. 520, do you know if that little black box the brains or a controller of some sort? I thought that I had read that one of the advantages of a dry system is that the car's PCM controls the additional fuel flow when under boost instead of the nitrous kit doing it when in "wet" configuration. I would think a dry system might be better when writing a new tune since it eliminates another variable (one less controller to control and one less selonoid to worry about). I thought that dry systems were more prone to go lean though, but I guess that would depend on the parameters of your tune.

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The kit in the photo is Edelbrock part # 70410.
It is listed in numerous places as being a dry kit and the article in 5.0 magazine goes as far as to say that it doesn't need a tune to run it at 50hp??

I am suspect of that statement as well as am wondering why a dry single stage system would have 2 solenoids.
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my .2 cents on the lowdown with edelbrock:

Edelbrock sucks. (mostly)

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Carbs: suck, i prefer holley...

Nitrous kits: suck, they dont spend much research $$$ on N20either go with NOS or for the S197 id used ZEX... at any rate, edelbrock will be my last choice...

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fuel injection: ehhh, its alright. bit pricey too....

cams: so-so.

computer chips: i went back to stock on my last car.

intakes: pretty good. nice quality, decent performance. good price. only thing that edelbrock really puts alot of time and $$ into.


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