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Well, I'm still shopping for the perfect used Mustang GT. Here's my latest experience.

This morning I went and looked at a 2007 GT. Attached is a pic of the car selling for $7K which is the top KBB value of a car in "excellent" condition with its 133K miles. It was gorgeous on the outside. Paint was brilliant, wheels were clean and tires shiny. Then the fun started:

1) It sorely needed tires
2) It appeared as if bondo was starting to peel up in the contour over the passenger rear quarter panel wheel well. That could only come from a wreck repair. I doubt it came from the factory like that.
3) On the inside, material on the door panels was starting to peel up. The plastic piece under the driver seat was loose and hanging by maybe one fastener. There were other panels throughout the car that had come loose.
4) The driver seat was stuck full back and wouldn't move forward or up. The driver seat leather was worn and had broken in a small place exposing pad material.
5) When I turned on the AC, there was a loud SLAP SLAP SLAP coming from under the dash. From experience, I know that was the blend door actuator. I had that happen in my 2003 Ford Crown Vic and had to pull the dash out in order to replace it. Maybe its an easier fix in that Mustang. I wasn't gonna explore any further.
6) The engine cranked and sounded OK once a squeak from the engine settled down.....pulley related no doubt. The serpentine belt was new.
7) He said that the spark plugs had been replaced. Their coil packs were dirty and didn't look like they had been handled. Hmmmmm...

The car didn't warrant a test drive. I reach a point where a test drive would in no way cause me to buy it.....too many other issues.

Am I being too hard? I am looking for the "like new" used Mustang GT for cheap. I don't mind paying the top KBB selling price, but the car will have to meet the requirements to be listed at the top. If any of you have or come across that car, please let me know.

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a "like new" S197 Mustang GT for $7K might be a tad unrealistic; but I say go for it and have fun -- there is nothing more fun than Mustang shopping!

(hmmmm, well, maybe a couple things . . . .)

just try not to get all down and discouraged if the are not exactly "like new" ; just move on to the next one!


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a "like new" S197 Mustang GT for $7K might be a tad unrealistic; but I say go for it and have fun -- there is nothing more fun than Mustang shopping!

(hmmmm, well, maybe a couple things . . . .)

just try not to get all down and discouraged if the are not exactly "like new" ; just move on to the next one!
I'm a dreamer! Last Monday I went to check out a 1995 GT for $5500. That POS didn't even warrant a review!


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once I saw the bondo, I would have walked away. 1- gonna happen sometime, 2- im out, 3- door panel inserts are a known issue, the under seat plastic was a tsb, just use pliers to open the "catches" and slip back on. 4- burnt motor or fuse (hopefully), 5- there are 3 different blend doors I believe, 3 easy to get to and 1 (drivers side) a MFer, 6- easy change out, 7- can be an issue but at 133k, I would hope they have been changed at least once. For the right price, my 05' GT might be for sale, 69k miles and lots of bolt ons, juss sayin.

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For the right price, my 05' GT might be for sale, 69k miles and lots of bolt ons, juss sayin.
Well, I'd love to have an excuse to drive the 280 miles to Ft. Worth! I love visiting my daughter in Plano. win-win! PM me when you decide to sell.


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Well, I'm still shopping for the perfect used Mustang GT. Here's my latest experience.

This morning I went and looked at a 2007 GT. Attached is a pic of the car selling for $7K which is the top KBB value of a car in "excellent" condition with its 133K miles. It was gorgeous on the outside. Paint was brilliant, wheels were clean and tires shiny. Then the fun started:

1) It sorely needed tires
2) It appeared as if bondo was starting to peel up in the contour over the passenger rear quarter panel wheel well. That could only come from a wreck repair. I doubt it came from the factory like that.
3) On the inside, material on the door panels was starting to peel up. The plastic piece under the driver seat was loose and hanging by maybe one fastener. There were other panels throughout the car that had come loose.
4) The driver seat was stuck full back and wouldn't move forward or up. The driver seat leather was worn and had broken in a small place exposing pad material.
5) When I turned on the AC, there was a loud SLAP SLAP SLAP coming from under the dash. From experience, I know that was the blend door actuator. I had that happen in my 2003 Ford Crown Vic and had to pull the dash out in order to replace it. Maybe its an easier fix in that Mustang. I wasn't gonna explore any further.
6) The engine cranked and sounded OK once a squeak from the engine settled down.....pulley related no doubt. The serpentine belt was new.
7) He said that the spark plugs had been replaced. Their coil packs were dirty and didn't look like they had been handled. Hmmmmm...

The car didn't warrant a test drive. I reach a point where a test drive would in no way cause me to buy it.....too many other issues.

Am I being too hard? I am looking for the "like new" used Mustang GT for cheap. I don't mind paying the top KBB selling price, but the car will have to meet the requirements to be listed at the top. If any of you have or come across that car, please let me know.

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I think that blue 2007 GT is just showing some honest wear and tear for a 12 year old car with a high mileage.
All of the issues you mentioned can be fixed but the big problem is the ridiculous asking price, especially since a test drive could have identified more issues. The auto tranny is the biggest concern there as it's one to walk away from unless it works perfectly. At 133k miles that's pretty unlikely thus making that car a potential money pit.

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Keep looking. They're still out there. I'm driving a 2005 GT at 61,500 miles. Bought it at 22,000 miles almost 4 years ago. It was cherry then, and still is, even with my 40,000 miles on it. I lucked out big time. You'll find one. (Sorry, mine's not for sale.)


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At 133k miles that's pretty unlikely thus making that car a potential money pit.
Yeah....gotta be careful with any used Mustang. They seem to beg for abuse. It's fun shopping tho'......


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Ones that haven't been abused sell over book. People tend to buy these as second cars and plan to keep them a while. I know I over paid for mine, but it has no rust or signs of damage. Obviously spent most of its life inside. It was worth the premium for me. Mechanicals are cheap to deal with. Paint and body, not so much.

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My 05 just turned 54k. Itís pristine and in show car condition and is rarely driven. It has been garaged itís entire life. Recently my service advisor stated the car looks like itís been in a time capsule.

Iíve been tempted to sell, but itís condition is much better than even the book numbers from nada or kbb. So itís a keeper....

They are out there.






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Sometimes I regret trading my '14 GT. At 52K miles it was still in showroom condition and was babied the whole time I had it from new. I would have kept it had it not been for the squawking LCAs, radio losing presets and loud engine tick that all of a sudden appeared one day but then just as quickly went away (should NOT have happened!!!!!!). It stayed on the dealer's used car lot 1 day. I would like to know if that tick ever reappeared. I bet it did.


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Even if the tick did come back, who is to say what the source of it was, there are so many things that can make a ticking sound mechanically, and not all of them are a big issue. Sure if it was valve train related is makes you uneasy and is always good to get fixed asap, but ive encountered accessory pulleys making such ticks, even an AC Compressor ticking somehow while running, and no not the engage disengage click, just a constant tick while it was spinning oddly... I had a buddy who has a chevy pickup that was ticking and he was freaking out that he was about to loose a lifter, or valve, or some such, and after carefull listening, and examination, there was a bolt missing on the rear pipe of the exhaust header, and the other bolt was snugged but not tight, and every time that cylinder was exhausting it would sound like a tick as some of the pressure slipped out between the header and the head due to the missing bolt.

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Cant always assume the worst, gotta get all the facts before making knee jerk decisions.

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My 05 just turned 54k. Itís pristine and in show car condition and is rarely driven. It has been garaged itís entire life. . . . itís condition is much better than even the book numbers from nada or kbb....
So, would you sell it for $7K, or Black Book value, whichever is less?

Sounds like probably not . . . so yeah they are out there, but the combination of both perfect and cheap is going to be tough to find . . . could take a while . . . but the good news is that looking is fun!

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So, would you sell it for $7K, or Black Book value, whichever is less?



Sounds like probably not . . . so yeah they are out there, but the combination of both perfect and cheap is going to be tough to find . . . could take a while . . . but the good news is that looking is fun!


Thatís the point, the 05-09ís kbb / nada are in that weird bell curve of valuations thinking this is that typical 10-15 year old beaten mule of a daily driver. Meanwhile glistening rare gems stay hidden in garages. (Like mine).

Much like the Fox bodies now are grabbing big dollars, as theyíve left that weird bell curve. After the sn97ís leave the curve and become rare, s197s will follow suit. (The good ones that is).

Attrition as younger kids get s197s and kill them one way or another will also push future values when the numbers dwindle.

Itís just the weird ride of car values. Would I sell ? No because an informed buyer wouldnít pay for what Iíd ask. One day maybe, when the values are commensurate with conditions of the car.

The great thing about the s197 platform is if you are mechanically inclined and donít care about conditions, itís a heck of a project platform.

But then again, why not put a price on it. There is an ass for every seat.

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No, you aren't being too hard O.H. 7 grand for a '07 that's gone bald, has a biotch slap in it, has james bondo on it, and has been driven more miles than a porn actress is more fitting as a movie prop than a daily driver. If I haven't said so yet - - pass on it.

If you buy that contraption you will be in the notorious category of suffering both sellers regret for selling the '14 and buyers regret for getting that abused '07.

Keep looking, there are decent normal wear and tear S197s on the market.


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