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Looking for advice on forced induction

Before people start giving me opinions about which type is best Iím not interested. There are plenty of threads like that already. So letís keep this thread as informational for everyone else who stumbles upon it. Thanks!

Iím interested in Dyno graphs that show the entire RPM range for each type of Power adder... I donít want to see what they advertise on each website, Iím interested in what other people have seen.

Iím also interested in 1/4 mile times that where achieved with each type of kit. Make sure to list the mods you had done other then the type of F.I. to give people an idea what they can expect from each kit.

The third and last question I would like to ask everyone is if given the choice again would you do the same thing again? Why or Why not?

I would like to see Roots, TwinScrew, Turbo, Centri, Roots Hybrid, Whatever you got be proud of it, and show us real world numbers and times of these kits. Again Iím not looking for flaming on different types of F.I. I know pretty much most of the pros and cons of each type, and I believe so does everyone else thanks to the million and a half threads that have been started about F.I.:hihi: Thanks



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I vote this thread for a sticky!

I'll post up my results once it's all said and done.

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if you check out Tillmanspeed's section of the forum they have posted dyno sheets, mod lists ect of cars that they have installed mods on. sadly no turbos though. i have been looking into turbos as well and there just isn't as much information out there on them like there is with superchargers.

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I have a few contributions to add to this.

This one is a bone stock automatic with a Hellion Turbo kit.
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This one isn't really a fair comparison to the others but...
It has a FRPP Aluminator shortblock, ported heads, custom cams, Kooks longtubes, Whipple supercharger w/Steeda aux. drive.
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if you check out Tillmanspeed's section of the forum they have posted dyno sheets, mod lists ect of cars that they have installed mods on.

Thatís the only placed listed I could find with a bunch of different graphs but they lack a lot of types & brands. Not really somewhere where you can look and make a complete decision of what youíre looking for. Iím more looking for a forum that people can refer others to that are asking the generic question " which type of FI is better " The current FI sticky does nothing but show the "marketing results" of each brand of supercharger / turbo. While this can be useful there is still a lot to be said. If enough people post up there results I will probably make another thread with just the information that people have put forward. Sticky or Not, Iím going to just post a link to it to those who don't know much about FI. To give them the right information they need. Thanks once again to all those who post up


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i've got 2 for you. the first one is from the car how it was originally purchased, basicly all stock motor, mods in sig. the second one is after i had to replace the block because the original tune had the timing advanced so far it broke 3 pistons in half.
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i've got 2 for you. the first one is from the car how it was originally purchased, basicly all stock motor, mods in sig. the second one is after i had to replace the block because the original tune had the timing advanced so far it broke 3 pistons in half.
Is the Air/Fuel on the first sheet for real?
It's off the chart below 10. I'm no tuner but isn't that considered dangerously lean?

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Is the Air/Fuel on the first sheet for real?
It's off the chart below 10. I'm no tuner but isn't that considered dangerously lean?
Other way around. that's rich as all hell!! Stoich is 14.7:1 and typically AF's under boost range anywhere from 11.2:1 to 12.5:1 depending on the tune. I'm going for 11.5:1 to stay on the safe side when I get mine setup. Probably leaving some HP on the table that way but I don't mind.

Leaner = more HP, but also higher risk of detonating.
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correct. it was way rich, probably trying to cover up how far the ignition was dangerously advanced. the second one is much more of what would be expected from my setup. the day was 110*+ so i would expect it was a little low compared to what it might be now in the winter.

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I Have a sallen blower on my 05. I make around 500to 526 rwhp depending onthe temps and etc. I am running a 3.0 pully, mac long tubes, mac o/r x, borla sinigers, 4,10 gears, c and l intake with a BA 2400 maf, gt500 T.B with spacer, and im sure a couple other things that I have forgotten

I also have a full suspension so my car has run 10.80s
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I Have a sallen blower on my 05. I make around 500to 526 rwhp depending onthe temps and etc. I am running a 3.0 pully, mac long tubes, mac o/r x, borla sinigers, 4,10 gears, c and l intake with a BA 2400 maf, gt500 T.B with spacer, and im sure a couple other things that I have forgotten

I also have a full suspension so my car has run 10.80s
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Is that on the stock internals?

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Is that on the stock internals?

Yes, it is. I also have all my S/C coolant rear mounted in the trunk with a bigger tank to keep the IAT's down to help prevent/keep away detonation
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You're still pushing the limits on that engine. Hope it has a very good tune.

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You're still pushing the limits on that engine. Hope it has a very good tune.

Yes, my tune is rock solid. Trust me, its all in the tune. There a lot of people out there who claim to know what they are doing and in reality all they are actually doing is putting the customers motor at risk. This is what causes people who decide to mod there motor confused about whats right and wrong, when it comes to information!!!!
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Can provide 1/4 mile times on last build. No idea on dyno graphs etc...because I don't care about rwhp/rwtq numbers. Too much variation between dyno machine types and operators. I went from a dynojet to a mustang dyno. On same boost and power (just pulls, not tune), the rwhp number dropped 20%. Same exact thing happened to a mate, same 20% drop in numbers. It's a critical tool for my tuner but one person's 600 rear wheel is another's 500.

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