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Supercharger- decision time

Hey guys, It comes down to this. I have saved up and it's time to supercharge the car. I street drive the car on nice days, no track time as of yet. If I do go to the track it will be just for fun, I don't want to get too serious about it. Gets expensive fast.

There are 2 kits that I'm currently considering.
1. Brenspeed 560R roush r2300 system
2. Brenspeed Paxton Novi 220sl kt

There are things that I like about both kits.
If I do this, I plan to keep the car for a long long time.
I thought for a long time that I was going to go with the paxton kit but after talking with Brent @ brenspeed he somewhat swayed me to the roush kit. Better for my application so to speak.
I will not need to upgrade boost in the future, or at least there are no plans for it currently. 450rwhp is enough for a street car IMO. Car is an 05 auto GT with around 45K miles.

I recently put on the plenum cover/ fuel rail/ battery and brake booster covers and dressed up the engine bay so with the roush that would all be wasted money as it won't be reused, and with the paxton I could keep it or at least modify it to fit. I like that the paxton is a little easier on components as it builds boost more slowly, but from what I've heard the roush is a better system all around.
Any thoughts/ experience with this etc. I'm pullin my hair out over this one.

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Go to shopbcp.com they're out of Westland MI. Not as far away and they make some big numbers with the Roush kits! I go there personally and swear by them.


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I will inquire them thanks. Didn't know that they even existed.

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I'd get the Edelbrock E Force if I had that car...and know that you are opening up the gates to "mod hell"...you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave...
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I know what you mean. For me it's been mostly appearance mods until now. Expect for the axlebacks, Cai and 93R tune. The car is quick, don't get me wrong. It's plenty fast enough to get me thrown in jail. I guess I got used to the power very quickly. It doesn't pin me back in the seat like I think it should. That's what I want to go for.

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Personally I would go with the Roush, because I like the idea of big-block-style low end torque ; and from what I understand, they offer a real nice plug-and-play kit.

If you prefer the higher RPM power of the centrifigual, then go with the Paxton.

I think that is basically what it comes down to.

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Ya I know this has been debated forever on here. I don't need a tire roaster, but it's fun and expensive. That's what I'm afraid of with the Roush as opposed to the Paxton. However, I've been told fit and finish of the Roush is top notch and there is less likelihood of leakage due to less plumbing and the sort. Who thought going fast was such a drawn out process. Thanks for the input, I appreciate it.

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If you want to be pinned back a PD Blower is a nice way to go.
Especially if its a street car. So muxh low end boost. I can see where a Centrifugal would be a choice for the streets, plenty of people have them. But more of their power is at the high end. May need to change gears to get the seat of the pants feel.

Also it popped in my mind that some Centrifugal may have problems in very cold weather. I remember a guy in Iceland or Alaska who had to take his off when the really cold weather would hit, then put it back on when it warmed up.

I have a TVS Maggie and when I first got it, it was like what the Hell, the low end power was killer.

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I`ve installed both, driven both, and seen both make big power. For a street car, auto, 450 rwhp I recommend a PD blower. For big power (700rwhp) a centri or turbo is the ticket. Go with Roush over the Paxton for this application.

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I'd get the Edelbrock E Force if I had that car...and know that you are opening up the gates to "mod hell"...you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave...
The E-Force is a decent blower for someone with a 400-450rwhp goal. Much past that the E-Force shows its limitations quickly. More capable PD blowers are available - (Whipple, Roush, KB) for the same money.

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That's just the thing, they both make comparable power just delivery is different. I don't think I will ever want to see upwards of 500HP. I've never driven in either so I appreciated the feedback. Thanks

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I would only recommend a PD blower for the street either a TVS or the Eaton M122. The TVS is first class but will cost significantly more than the M122 and both make 450rwhp with no problem.

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That's just the thing, they both make comparable power just delivery is different. I don't think I will ever want to see upwards of 500HP. I've never driven in either so I appreciated the feedback. Thanks
Gee, where have I heard this before . ??? lol

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I have the Saleen Series IV blower on my car and I love it, but I've had plenty of experience with both the Paxton and Roush kits. If I were going to put a blower on my car right now it would be exactly the Roush 560 kit from Brenspeed.

You can read my sig, but our cars sound very similar. I even put the Saleen blower on my car with 47,000 miles on it. I now have upwards of 105K on it odometer and it's still running strong with the stock internals, stock torque converter and stock trans. I will say though that the factory differential did not hold up well with the added power. I have now upgraded to an Eaton Posi unit with 4.10 gears and it's holding like a champ.

Good Luck and have fun with your decision.:shiny:

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I personally like being able to putter around without getting into boost if I don't want to. If I want it, I just downshift a gear or two. If I don't want it, I meander along at 1,200 rpms and my car just sounds normal...

Just my take. I have a Vortech and I like it for driving on the street even though I have to run the rpms up to make it work. But I have a little more control over when it does its thing, I think...


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