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Intercooler/ Non-supercharged Application

hey guys- does anybody know if there is an intercooler that can be used with just a cai system? the extreme heat and humidity down here in south louisiana is killing my car's performance. i'm not crazy about the methanol injection systems because if it suddenly stops working, your engine might frag because of the timing issues associated with methanol injection. any ideas? thanks!


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Wouldn't the added weight negate any positive effects you get from it?

This is just a guess but I'm pretty sure all intercoolers are made to attach directly to Superchargers. The CAI goes right in. I'm not sure that it would be feasible anyway. I could be wrong though :-P


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Intercoolers don't have to attach directly to the blower. However the added weight would indeed negate any gains.

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Hwy stoon,

It sounds like you are running N/A not blown based on what you are asking. If this is the case how do you expect to cool your intake charge to below ambient air temp without some type of evaporative or refrigeration system? Even if you could design an effective refrigeration system that could really cool the volume of air needed by the engine it would weigh a ton and make your car handle like a pig. It would be easier to move to a place where it's cooler and drier.

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hey guys- does anybody know if there is an intercooler that can be used with just a cai system? the extreme heat and humidity down here in south louisiana is killing my car's performance. i'm not crazy about the methanol injection systems because if it suddenly stops working, your engine might frag because of the timing issues associated with methanol injection. any ideas? thanks!

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Hwy stoon,

It sounds like you are running N/A not blown based on what you are asking. If this is the case how do you expect to cool your intake charge to below ambient air temp without some type of evaporative or refrigeration system? Even if you could design an effective refrigeration system that could really cool the volume of air needed by the engine it would weigh a ton and make your car handle like a pig. It would be easier to move to a place where it's cooler and drier.

This is good free advice IMO.


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SP- the only mods that i have are cai, tuner and 4.10s. i would like to add a supercharger, but i am leery due to the stock internals.
on the intercooler idea, i'm just trying to figure out a way to get back some of the power that mother nature is stealing from me. i am trying to figure out my next performance mod. i'm thinking about exhaust system, but i want the performance w/o the extra noise- kind of a catch 22, I guess. thanks for the info!

2 scoop- how 'bout an airboat fan with a giant ice bucket mounted to the front of the stang? that should do it!
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SP- the only mods that i have are cai, tuner and 4.10s. i would like to add a supercharger, but i am leery due to the stock internals.
on the intercooler idea, i'm just trying to figure out a way to get back some of the power that mother nature is stealing from me. i am trying to figure out my next performance mod. i'm thinking about exhaust system, but i want the performance w/o the extra noise- kind of a catch 22, I guess. thanks for the info!

2 scoop- how 'bout an airboat fan with a giant ice bucket mounted to the front of the stang? that should do it!
How about a block of dry ice? don't know what the carbon dioxide would do for you. Twoscoops, sounds more Canadian




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WEll, I know in the past people have tried to route the A/C into the air system. Though on a N/A set up the coil itself will offseet any gains due to air temp drop by restricting flow. On the otherhand if you tried to runn it through a cooled tube, the Air Velocity is too great to achieve any great reduction in temperature and again the added drag on your engine from runnign the A/C negates the gains. Though, also most cars open the A/C clutch when you are at WOT.

To help reduce the overall heat you might want to..
1. Get ceramic coated Headers
2. Use a CAI with a seal agains the hood and run a tube from under the car up into the fender to blow air from outside onto the filter
3. Use your Programmer to set your fans to come on at a lower temp.
4. Switch to a lower temp Thermostat so the water starts flowing at a lower temp.

These steps will keep the incoming air cooler. Is it really worth it... hard to tell.

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If you are really concerned about this roll down your windows and turn off your AC. The AC compresser can gobble up HP and TQ. This should offset the loss of increased intake temperature on those hot days. Make sure to bring along some water and a towel.


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I think if you try an add a intercooler without it being attached to a blower of some sort your just going to hinder the cars performance even more. Youll be adding alot more length and bends to the system with out the added help of the blower to help keep the air moving.

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You can try DEI.. They supposedly have a C02 based cooling system that is designed for N/A cars
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The intercooler is part of the intake here ispics of mine.
To fix ur problem take of the cai(I call em Hot air intakes) and put the stock box back on. Notice the stock air box get it's air from inside the fenderwell not from the heated engine compartment
Here is pic of my intake and intercooler




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You can try DEI.. They supposedly have a C02 based cooling system that is designed for N/A cars
Subzero... (good name for this topic btw) This is exactly what I was thinking of. This: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku coupled with an smaller intercooler would work. It basically sprays on the intercooler and freezes it. When the air gets sucked through... it cools the air temp a bunch. The boys on HorsePower TV (I think it was them) installed one of these or a system like it. Turned some good numbers. Can't remember right of hand the number. They said it was like driving you car on a cool crisp fall morning.
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