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Upgrades needed to get approx. 250HP?

I do a lot of reading around here, and know a fair amount of knowledge, but it never hurts to hear more from others.

So, I want to put out about 250HP. But I don't want to supercharge (no money for it right now). I done the typical, dual exhaust and intake. I'm going to head over to bamachips and get a tuner and c&l intake from them, don't like the bbk too much.

What else can be done. I don't like the idea of headers. Plus stock ones flow pretty well. Suggestions?


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underdrives,delete your a/c,fuel injectors,or even nitrous


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250 to the rw would be very hard for a low price range. 250 to the fw is very easy. gears(3.71?) and t-lok if you have an auto would be a great idea.

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250 to the rw would be very hard for a low price range. 250 to the fw is very easy. gears(3.71?) and t-lok if you have an auto would be a great idea.
Gears don't add any horsepower whatsoever. They simply increase your acceleration due to changes in ratios. Neither does T-lok. And there isn't such the as fwhp on a Mustang.

If you're trying to achieve 250 to the rear wheels, you might be in a slump if you're not willing to get into superchargers, turbochargers, or nitrous. If you're trying to achieve 250 to the crank, it's not as hard, but still a feat. Start with exhaust, intake, underdrive pulley, long tube headers, and a good tune (DO NOT GO TO BAMACHIPS, I would definitley consider Brenspeed or even VMP before going to Bamachips. Trust me). Then move on to an upper intake spacer, an aluminum drive shaft, and new camshafts. Camshafts can be very complicated though. This in total should give you close to or around 250 to the crank. Hope this helps

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cat back exhaust and a new mid pipe but then why not go with the headers if you do all that. UDP good gears 3.73, that intake and tune should do some good too. I guess you go for nitrous too if youre into that sort of thing

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...and a good tune (DO NOT GO TO BAMACHIPS, I would definitley consider Brenspeed or even VMP before going to Bamachips. Trust me). ...
Just curious..why dont you like bamachips?

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I second the intake/tune thing but I recommend Bamachips. There are tons of guys around running their tunes with no trouble and really good power increases.

An aftermarket single exhaust will get you at least 10rwhp on the new v6's. Probably more like 12-13, a dual exhaust might get you over 15 but most people don't go dual for performance because the extra 2-3 rwhp isn't worth the additional $300 of going dual. You'll also lose a bit of low end torque with a dual setup over a good single.

Underdrive pulleys are nice but don't do much. Expect 5 rwhp realistically, 10rwhp MAX.

Performance plug wires and coils don't do a lot either, expect 5rwhp realistically.

Headers won't give you much at all. Expect 2-3 rwhp realistically, 5 rwhp MAX.

If you want to make your car run like it has 250 hp, its easier to go with the better bang-for-buck bolt ons (intake/tune, exhaust) and throw in an aluminum driveshaft to cut down on rotational mass and some gears to get you off the line quicker.

If you really want 250rwhp then you're either looking at a few grand worth of bolt-ons, or a power adder (supercharger, turbo, n20) which will get you a whole lot more.

And if you really want to make some power with that 4.0 and stay NA, then stroke it to a 4.5L and add forged internals. You can make over 300rwhp on a stroked 4.5L with your basic intake/tune and exhaust.

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Gears don't add any horsepower whatsoever. They simply increase your acceleration due to changes in ratios. Neither does T-lok. And there isn't such the as fwhp on a Mustang.

If you're trying to achieve 250 to the rear wheels, you might be in a slump if you're not willing to get into superchargers, turbochargers, or nitrous. If you're trying to achieve 250 to the crank, it's not as hard, but still a feat. Start with exhaust, intake, underdrive pulley, long tube headers, and a good tune (DO NOT GO TO BAMACHIPS, I would definitley consider Brenspeed or even VMP before going to Bamachips. Trust me). Then move on to an upper intake spacer, an aluminum drive shaft, and new camshafts. Camshafts can be very complicated though. This in total should give you close to or around 250 to the crank. Hope this helps
fw = flywheel not front wheel
most people don't really want hp they just think they do. i personally don't care for hp.. but torque? oh baby!

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Just curious..why dont you like bamachips?
Get ready for a long, detailed response. Sean (alleneagles) likes to research things for months at a time.

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fw = flywheel not front wheel
most people don't really want hp they just think they do. i personally don't care for hp.. but torque? oh baby!
Yeah, my mistake. I misunderstood you.

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Just curious..why dont you like bamachips?
I recently posted a thread in the V6 Tech section about this. And Stanger98 contributed alot too. I bought a VMP and used it for while and then tried Bamachips and I was very disappointed. But Stanger98 suggests that Brenspeed beats both. I'm going to buy a tune from them soon and see.

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Get ready for a long, detailed response. Sean (alleneagles) likes to research things for months at a time.
Yeah yeah...:hihi:

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I recently posted a thread in the V6 Tech section about this. And Stanger98 contributed alot too. I bought a VMP and used it for while and then tried Bamachips and I was very disappointed. But Stanger98 suggests that Brenspeed beats both. I'm going to buy a tune from them soon and see.
Was there something wrong with the tune or were you just disappointed with how it performed?

I'm just curious as i've never heard anything but good things about bamachips.

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Yea im very curious too, i have the Bama 91 Race and its very cool. Can you be more specific whats bad about it?

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