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Hi, I'm looking into running e85/e100, does any of you use e85 frequently? Have you guys changed your injectors? How big/wich brand?
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Why? Ethanol fueled vehicles get much less mpg due to it's lower energy density. Ethanol is good in performance applications due to it's resistance to detonation (high octane rating) and it's inherent cooling effects on the intake charge. So for track / drag strip use, I'm all for it. But for normal daily use it's crap. Lower mpg, and ethanol is super corrosive to all fuel system components, has a much shorter shelf life, etc. All for a problem that didn't need solving if we used domestic resources.....

FYI, I recall Hot Rod mag did a comparison article on costs a few years ago with a flex fuel GM vehicle and round trips to Vegas. I'm sure you can find it if you want an interesting read.

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FYI, I recall Hot Rod mag did a comparison article on costs a few years ago with a flex fuel GM vehicle and round trips to Vegas. I'm sure you can find it if you want an interesting read.
Maybe Edmund's?

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy...ison-test.html

i agree with not using E85 in 'normal' driving conditions...

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Since he's from Brazil, and they've replaced 42% , or so,of their gasoline usage with cheaper thanol, mpg isn't his concern.

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Why? Ethanol fueled vehicles get much less mpg due to it's lower energy density. Ethanol is good in performance applications due to it's resistance to detonation (high octane rating) and it's inherent cooling effects on the intake charge. So for track / drag strip use, I'm all for it. But for normal daily use it's crap. Lower mpg, and ethanol is super corrosive to all fuel system components, has a much shorter shelf life, etc. All for a problem that didn't need solving if we used domestic resources.....

FYI, I recall Hot Rod mag did a comparison article on costs a few years ago with a flex fuel GM vehicle and round trips to Vegas. I'm sure you can find it if you want an interesting read.
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FYI, I recall Hot Rod mag did a comparison article on costs a few years ago with a flex fuel GM vehicle and round trips to Vegas. I'm sure you can find it if you want an interesting read.
Maybe Edmund's?

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy...ison-test.html

i agree with not using E85 in 'normal' driving conditions...
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Since he's from Brazil, and they've replaced 42% , or so,of their gasoline usage with cheaper thanol, mpg isn't his concern.
Hi guys, Mac The Knife is right, mpg is not my main concern... Brazilian Gas already has 25/27% of ethanol in it's blend... I buy the best gas possible; 95/97oct and I run a 93 CAI tune from Diablosport... It runs greatly... My main concern is having to travel to some little countryside and not finding my 95/97 octane gas... Then I would end up buying some 87oct gas that has been probably "baptized"(added extra ethanol or some sort of bizzare chemical compound)... Basically that is the thing, I'd rather run on e100 if needed than some hazardous blends that they sell as gas...
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Jeez lots of helpful advice guys

You need the Ford Racing 47 lb injectors LU47

https://lmr.com/item/M9593LU47/Ford-...rs-M-9593-Lu47
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That and a tune for it, that's it when you're N/A. If you are boosted you will need an upgraded fuel system and much bigger injectors. Gains for N/A are typically 10-15 hp, and some of the best tuners (Lund, AED) offer flex fuel tunes so you can mix E-85 and premium gas as needed without issue. Really, for the cost of injectors, it's one of the best bang for your buck upgrades you can do.

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Jeez lots of helpful advice guys

You need the Ford Racing 47 lb injectors LU47

https://lmr.com/item/M9593LU47/Ford-...rs-M-9593-Lu47
(look around for a better price)

That and a tune for it, that's it when you're N/A. If you are boosted you will need an upgraded fuel system and much bigger injectors. Gains for N/A are typically 10-15 hp, and some of the best tuners (Lund, AED) offer flex fuel tunes so you can mix E-85 and premium gas as needed without issue. Really, for the cost of injectors, it's one of the best bang for your buck upgrades you can do.
Thanks! Great info! Good to know Lund and AED offer flex fuel tunes! It's an even better solution than I expected!
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I can only give what I have read as I have not run E85.

But from what I have read these cars seem to do very well on E85. Once setup running a tank of 93 (or your better octane fuel) every 10 or so tanks of E85 seems to be the trick for longevity of the system.
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I can only give what I have read as I have not run E85.

But from what I have read these cars seem to do very well on E85. Once setup running a tank of 93 (or your better octane fuel) every 10 or so tanks of E85 seems to be the trick for longevity of the system.
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Jeez lots of helpful advice guys

You need the Ford Racing 47 lb injectors LU47

https://lmr.com/item/M9593LU47/Ford-...rs-M-9593-Lu47

(look around for a better price)

That and a tune for it, that's it when you're N/A. If you are boosted you will need an upgraded fuel system and much bigger injectors. Gains for N/A are typically 10-15 hp, and some of the best tuners (Lund, AED) offer flex fuel tunes so you can mix E-85 and premium gas as needed without issue. Really, for the cost of injectors, it's one of the best bang for your buck upgrades you can do.
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Would you consider one step colder sparkplugs?
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Would you consider one step colder sparkplugs?

Not for an N/A setup. Once you add boost or nitrous yeah

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On my Coyote powered F-150, the power difference with E85 is immediately noticeable after filling the tank.

As far as the math goes, I get 12 MPGs on E85 @ 1.40/gallon and I get 15 MPGs on regular gasoline @ $2.30-$3.00/gallon (depending on octane). Any way you cut that watermelon E85 is saving some real cash at the pump monthly.

So more power for less money...who wouldn't run it? Well, if it's true that modern vehicles still suffer corrosion from Ethanol use, then I suppose that's a good reason not to. However, I haven't seen any proof of that.

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CAr can become fussy to start in cold temps with E85. Mileage is bad and, since E85 where I am is the same price as 94 pump it isn't really worth it. I did try it for a few months though and the power production was good, even running a nitrous 150 tune on it as daily. Ran the same on E85 w. the N20 tune as it did on my 93 n/a gas tune.

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Hey guys kinda jumping on this thread. I had my car retuned today with an e85 tune. As far as I know my car still has stock injectors but the tuner had no concern over that when tuning for e85. The car put down 402 at the wheels and the power band just blows away the 93 tune at low RPMS. This isn't a sketchy tuner by any means he specializes in mustangs and is very reputable in my area. Should I question my injectors with him? I'm pretty sure he said the stock injectors were fine and a boost pump or whatever wasn't necessary either. I'm new to the car so sorry for my half knowledge questions here.

Car is stock with JLT CAI and stock exhaust with resonators removed. Dynojet was used. 402 on e85 390 on 93.
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Thank you guys!!! Great input
@5LHO , You are right, ethanol gives a fussy start in very cold places... Here in Brazil ethanol is strong since the 70s/80s... ... I remember that in the 90s I had a carburated Ford Escort(OEM) that ran only on ethanol... It came with a tinny gas tank in the engine bay... Its function was to inject some gas during morning starts in cold places... I never needed to inject gas as I live on the northeast coast and temps dont get bellow 70f even during the winter... Then FI came and cars start better now... but still fussy in the morning if you live in a cold place... Some flex fuel cars come with a system that heats the fuel line for cold starts...
@LenXIII , Great info, I live at sea level so I may try my oem injectors too an see how it goes... I believe you may have not needed to change the injetors because you live in Tampa... If you supposedly go somewhere else with a higher altitude and go WOT yours injectors may not keep up with demand... Luckly you are in Florida so it wont be a problem!!! Though I will still change the oem injectors as they may wear out faster if I run e100 on a daily basis...
Once again, thank you guys! you shared precious info and probably helped me to save some bucks...

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