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Procharger and E85, 760whp

This was posted on a local forum I frequent. I had not seen it here and though you guys may be interested.

The car is at 15psi and made 670whp on previous 93 octane pulls.

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Here is a bolt on car they tuned to run on E85.

The car has headers, intake, 4.10 gears, and a twin disk clutch.



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These motors and electronic timing like octane...
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Here is a bolt on car they tuned to run on E85.

The car has headers, intake, 4.10 gears, and a twin disk clutch.

Damn, bolt ons and 450 horspower. The 500 number is looking very due able soon NA. I need to get an E85 tune i can switch out with the 93 gas octane. We have two E85 stations here in town.

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I'm not saying that this is the case cause E-85 Terminators are common but doesn't the 011 owners manual say you can't run Flex-fuel? Someone mentioned that in a past thread :?:
Both of those Dyno sheets are believeable with E-85, more so than the JPC's 802...I've seen what that stuff can do..

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The factory control system does not have to ability to sense fuel type and adapt its tuning for E85. There is nothing about the physical fuel system that prevents it from moving and metering ethanol rich fuels with the proper tune.


All these guys are doing is taking the altered stoichiometric ratio of ethanol into account during their process.


It would be nice to integrate a fuel type sensor so you did not have to load a "gas" tune if you cant find E85.
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^This

The stoichiometric A/F ratio is ~9.8 for E85 vs. ~14.1 for gasoline with 10 percent ethanol. This accounts to roughly 44% more fuel needed for stoichiometric combustion. Apparently the fuel system (fuel pump and injectors) in the 2011 GT can produce this additional flow rate.

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The supercharged car has an aftermarket pump, but I have not been able to find out which one.

Before the E85 it had the stock part with a "boost-a-pump".
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The factory control system does not have to ability to sense fuel type and adapt its tuning for E85. There is nothing about the physical fuel system that prevents it from moving and metering ethanol rich fuels with the proper tune.


All these guys are doing is taking the altered stoichiometric ratio of ethanol into account during their process.


It would be nice to integrate a fuel type sensor so you did not have to load a "gas" tune if you cant find E85.
I obviously know the fuel system components are compatable with E-85, someone just mentioned it says you can't run it in the 011 owners manual..

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I dont doubt that it says that.

Why bring it up if you know it to be irrelevant considering the circumstances?




Speaking of irrelevant information its '11 not 011.
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Oh I'm sorry please forgive my ignorance I apologize sincerely, OK I'll file that in my "Who gives a Flying FUCT!" It's 11 and not 011, GOTCHA! :run_over:
To the other members that care and frequent the dealerships with your 11's, check to see if E-85 raises issues regarding warranty..

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circumstances

I dont think an individual interested in extracting the HPP cars level of power is concerned with the modifications effect on their warranty.

My 011 comment was intended to mock the overtly critical nature of your post. If you did intend it as a service to other more warranty conscious members I commend you and apologize.
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E-85 is the Shiate and to guys that put big blowers on their 11's and don't give a crap about warranties I say "GO FOR IT" BUT find a tuner very skilled with this new ECU, it's not your everyday EEC-V!
AND to those that just do a couple bolt ons? E-85 will make noticably more power (as demomstrated in the graph) but just keep in mind if you need servicing at the dealership where the tune file will be looked at some places may try to give you a hard time.. Just look at the clutch issue some dealerships are repairing them under warranty and others want $2000 from the owner!

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Everyone with a tune, E-85 or otherwise, should be careful how they approach warranty service situations.

I just found out the blower car has 3 in tank walbros to supply the volume needed for the E85 tune. I would not have went that direction but it seems to be working for now.
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Everyone with a tune, E-85 or otherwise, should be careful how they approach warranty service situations.

I just found out the blower car has 3 in tank walbros to supply the volume needed for the E85 tune. I would not have went that direction but it seems to be working for now.
i'd like to see the durability of that setup though. making the power once is great, consistently is what i like to see though


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