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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-25-2011 Thread Starter
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Any Suggestions? Max boost on Coyote??

I have a couple of questions regarding the Coyote engine. First, what is the max boost that it can handle from twin screws like Whipple/Kenne Bell on stock internals? Second, I understand that the entirety of the engine is forged except the piston heads, as they are Hypereutectic. Is there any truth to this? Third, using the following kit, or any similar to it, would I have to change out any of the internals, and what would those be?

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This is really a loaded question as it depends on many things.

The tune must be solid (no knock), at any boost level.

It depends on how much you beat on it....

It depends on the condition of your engine from factory (any flaws that might show up with higher internal stress etc...)

No one has boosted one of these engines for 100K+, how long is a acceptable amount of time to you?

IMO 10 PSI with a conservative spark curve should be reliable for quite a while with average use.


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I think that 10 psi out of a pd blower for agressive driving is asking for trouble. I much rather see 10psi out of a centri or a turbo because of the cooler iat. If you add meth to a pd then it would be just as safe as the other options but you are still pushing it. And you will always have to uave catastrophic failure oj your mind. Stay under 550 whp if you want some peace of mind.

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For what it’s worth…

If you look at the Ford Racing Performance Parts kits for the new 5.0... The seven pound kit comes with a 12/12000 warranty and the nine pound kit doesn't, Ford has done the testing for FRPP…

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i have the 624 frpp kit. have put about 3500 miles on it with heavy dd in florida(very hot climate) and no issues. i go pretty easy on it but i have faith it will hold up. and i do not believe the entirety of the engine is forged, in fact i believe very few parts are forged. but if the car couldnt take the kit then they wouldnt have put it on the market.

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Inquiring mind also want to know too. Would hate to drop $$$ on a SC and have the guts of my engine drop all over the green light.

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I'm at 10 psi for street use. I'm going to be doing some testing with race gas and 13 psi.....

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This is really a loaded question as it depends on many things.
agreed... this question is loaded but if your money is of no concern then why not buy the most $$$ blower out there. BUT with a suggested retail$7499.00 and figure at least $1000.00 to install a whipple the military hazard pay must be WAY better then i remember.

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Considering the price of some of these blowers sometimes I wish I would have just gone the distance and got the GT500.

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Considering the price of some of these blowers sometimes I wish I would have just gone the distance and got the GT500.
It's the twin screws that cost an arm and a leg. You can get into a pretty sweet Vortech or Procharged setup for a lot less and still get excellent results. So much that you'll be glad you didn't spend the dough on a Shelby.

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Complete Kits can be had for 5k, thats what I paid for a 'Slightly' used kit (New last Feburary)...See my post fr a few hours ago on the Install and first drives... :-) I'm at a Safe 9.5-10PSI...

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It's the twin screws that cost an arm and a leg. You can get into a pretty sweet Vortech or Procharged setup for a lot less and still get excellent results. So much that you'll be glad you didn't spend the dough on a Shelby.

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Couldn't have said it better myself Jared. I'll take my procharger annnnnd keep my wallet 2k fatter. Thank you.
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For what it’s worth…

If you look at the Ford Racing Performance Parts kits for the new 5.0... The seven pound kit comes with a 12/12000 warranty and the nine pound kit doesn't, Ford has done the testing for FRPP…
There's a blower in my fairly near future, probably one of these, and right away noted this as well...tells me they have a measurable level of confidence in the drivetrain with a 25% power uprate (525), but not so much in a 50 (624). Clutch and axles aren't bad (clutch likely a must), possibly a rear end, but it'd be a bummer to roast this transmission.

Read about the performance of the GT-350 w/the 525HP blower?

3.7 sec to 60 and 12.0 qtr @ 121+...I'm thinking that'll do me just fine. (note Shelby comes right out and tells you if you opt for the 624 it voids the power train warranty).

I've downloaded and printed off the install instructions for the FR Super pack...same set for both blowers, including the parts list. Disappointed that with it I couldn't determine the difference between the 2 kits, other than that it's only $300...which in itself is very seductive. The parts section that includes the blower and pully doesn't actually list part #'s, but in their place in that column, lists NPN...assuming no part number. Note that the FR site states they build these to order.

Have written my serv mgr regarding prices, including install, and if he could tell me the diff between the 2 kits...ie if the blowers are actually the same but pullys and maybe throttle body are only difference, but have yet to hear back from him.

When I drop this much coin, would be real nice to know before hand whether without much additional cost, I could upgrade the 525 to 624 specs after beefing up drive train and maybe connecting rods.

Also reading about a gent who bought a 2.9l Whipple w/8 and 10# pullies (think made for the 5.4l GT500 motor) in a 5.0...w/is interesting. Perhaps another option, still researching.

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I'm intrigued by the Edelbrock unit. It uses the Eaton TVS rotors and 5.0 magazine got 466hp/436 tq at low boost 4.5 psi, baseline was 344 so a nice 120 hp jump. It's 50 state legal and they offer a warranty.

They also have an upgraded unit at 6psi and cold air kit that made 636 flywheel on the engine dyno. I'd like to see some RWHP numbers for that setup. You can also get smaller pulleys to up the boost. This seems like a real nice setup for a street driven car.

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It's the twin screws that cost an arm and a leg. You can get into a pretty sweet Vortech or Procharged setup for a lot less and still get excellent results. So much that you'll be glad you didn't spend the dough on a Shelby.

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thanks for chiming in jared... thats some impressive comment from whipple supercharger's largest distributor.


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