Official FRPP Pro-Cal PING thread. - Page 3 - Ford Mustang Forum
View Poll Results: Have you experienced PING with the FRPP Pro-Cal?
Yes, I have experienced it. 24 24.24%
No, I have never experienced it. 61 61.62%
I experienced it, but cured it with octane adjust or different gas 5 5.05%
I experienced it, could not cure it and either ignore it, or went to a different tune/stock 9 9.09%
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Is anyone using their FRPP tune with a CAI? I'd like to do this combo if I go the FRPP route and was wondering if this affects the pinging issue...

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I think its just the car in general. It ran rough when cold before it was tuned. And by cold I mean below 40. After 10 minutes all is good, I just keep it under 2500 rpms til then.
When you had your tune installed, did you follow the 15 minute idle relearn procedure that's in the owner's manual? If you haven't done it, you might give it a try. Basically, you disconnect the battery to reset the ECU, then do a stone-cold start followed by idling until fully warm with the A/C switched on for the last 2 minutes.

My car, with the tune, starts and runs better cold than the stock tune did. Best cold driveability of any car I've ever owned.


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When you had your tune installed, did you follow the 15 minute idle relearn procedure that's in the owner's manual? If you haven't done it, you might give it a try. Basically, you disconnect the battery to reset the ECU, then do a stone-cold start followed by idling until fully warm with the A/C switched on for the last 2 minutes.

My car, with the tune, starts and runs better cold than the stock tune did. Best cold driveability of any car I've ever owned.
No I didn't........I think I'll give this a shot. Like I said, by cold I mean sub 40 degrees. The other day I left for work it was 8 out. In ten minutes the motor was smooth and so was my MT82

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I've driven mine from cold in 20-25 degree F degree temps and it was fine. Not as cold as your situation, but brisk just the same.

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Gains are advertised as ~ 16 peak Hp, 7 peak #'s torque. Up to 60# of torque @ 1500rpm.

No pinging here, octane adjust @ N. I love the tune and sleep well regarding potential warranty concerns.

W/the torque curve bumping up as much as it does @ 1500 and my experince with and withot the tune (4 months and 12K miles without, 3 months and 4K miles with) I'm convinced you have more overall usable gains (ie area under the curve) than the 16/7 would otherwise imply. Car pulls harder throughout, especially down low.
I couldn't agree more - the peak number doesn't tell the story when it comes to this tune. It completely changes the way you launch the car. Just off of idle will break the tires loose at times. It makes the car feel so much faster on the street and far more predictible every time you hit the gas.

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With all that said, the think I like BEST about the FRPP tune is that when you lift off the throttle, the car actually slows down! It doesn't hang there and wait like the stock tune.

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I couldn't agree more - the peak number doesn't tell the story when it comes to this tune. It completely changes the way you launch the car. Just off of idle will break the tires loose at times. It makes the car feel so much faster on the street and far more predictible every time you hit the gas.
Did a lot of reading before ordering my car. I added the FR Power Upgrade Pkg as an accessory (this is the Pro Cal tune + GT500 mufflers). Had read one poster here who commented that he had 4 canned tunes and that for driveability and seat of pants feel, the Pro Cal was his favorite.

This and others comments, plus my warranty concerns, were the reasons I went w/the Pro Cal.

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With all that said, the think I like BEST about the FRPP tune is that when you lift off the throttle, the car actually slows down! It doesn't hang there and wait like the stock tune.
Crispening up the throttle response was a good part of my reasoning for wanting a tune in the first place. Had only driven a 5.0 once (fairly lenghty test drive in an MT82) and the throttle lag, both on accel and decel, was my only beef.

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This is interesting. 50% have experienced ping and 50% say they have not. I wonder what the difference is? Quality of gasoline in various states? Maybe some people are not detecting the ping, but it is there?

Strikes me odd that there would be such an even split between the ping and no ping.

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FRPP does say that pinging may be present in the Pro-Cal (didn't have any pinging on my 2011) and considers brief pinging normal even with the Boss TracKey. Check out http://www.fordracingparts.com.

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FRPP does say that pinging may be present in the Pro-Cal (didn't have any pinging on my 2011) and considers brief pinging normal even with the Boss TracKey. Check out http://www.fordracingparts.com.
I understand that they consider it to be "normal." I have a difference of opinion. Detonation, to me, is not normal or acceptable.

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This is interesting. 50% have experienced ping and 50% say they have not. I wonder what the difference is? Quality of gasoline in various states? Maybe some people are not detecting the ping, but it is there?

Strikes me odd that there would be such an even split between the ping and no ping.

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I was wondering the same thing. Is it the quality of gasoline between states. I'm in CA. I don't know where to get 93. I put 91 octane in the tank and the car has always run fine. Doesn't ping.

Could be a combination of factors: outdoor temps when it pings, whether or not you let your car "learn" the recalibration during installation, the gasoline, how new your engine was when you recalibrated. Who knows.

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I was wondering the same thing. Is it the quality of gasoline between states. I'm in CA. I don't know where to get 93. I put 91 octane in the tank and the car has always run fine. Doesn't ping.

Could be a combination of factors: outdoor temps when it pings, whether or not you let your car "learn" the recalibration during installation, the gasoline, how new your engine was when you recalibrated. Who knows.
What exactly do you mean by "learn the recalibration during installation?" I installed it, the computer accepted the tune, I drove the car. Actually, the pinging did not show up for about two weeks. I installed it the day before Thanksgiving. I am thinking it has to do with the gas that is available right now. Maybe we are getting the "winter blend" stuff?

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What exactly do you mean by "learn the recalibration during installation?" I installed it, the computer accepted the tune, I drove the car. Actually, the pinging did not show up for about two weeks. I installed it the day before Thanksgiving. I am thinking it has to do with the gas that is available right now. Maybe we are getting the "winter blend" stuff?

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In your Owner's Manual, somewhere between pages 275 and 285 (depending on year and edition) there's a procedure for your ECU to relearn it's idle trim settings.

It probably doesn't affect the pinging if you have it, but it can affect cold driveability.

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I am looking into purchasing this tuner due to factory warranty concerns and am very concerned about pinging. This shouldnt be happening IMO from a FoMoCo tune!

I did not vote in the poll since I dont have it yet, but am very interested in what everyone has to say...
Your going to buy a tune and put it on the car your trying to lemon??


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I experienced it, could not cure it - ford even sent a revision that made no difference. Mild ping on 91 octane in Phoenix Az area with Octane Adjust on and off, more in dry warm weather but still there in cooler weather. No ping with Bama, AED and SCT but do like the drive by wire with the ProCal - ping is not acceptable to me on this awesome engine.

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