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Mustang GT needs more power?

On the one hand, I'm amazed that we have relatively affordable 400+ HP ponycars back from Ford, Dodge, and Chevy. Fifteen or twenty years ago, that would have seemed very unlikely.

But as the power on the Mustang and the other ponycars has increased, so has the power in mundane family sedans and luxobarges. Hyundai makes a 400+ HP sedan, and BMW, Jaguar, and many other makers are over 500 HP on some models. Granted, the 500+ HP cars are generally quite expensive.

Anyway, I can't help but think that the Mustang GT could handle even more power. But I don't know how Ford could do it without increasing cost beyond the target market. Plus the high cost of fuel and increasing CAFE targets would make it even harder...

Could Ford make a 475-500 HP Mustang GT for under $40k that gets 25 mpg highway? A direct injected Coyote with about 4 psi boost?


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You're asking a bit much. The current model has 420hp, the Boss has 440hp, and the Shelby has 662hp. There's not another lineup with the same hp/dollar out there. I don't think a 475+hp Mustang for under 40k is possible.

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On the one hand, I'm amazed that we have relatively affordable 400+ HP ponycars back from Ford, Dodge, and Chevy. Fifteen or twenty years ago, that would have seemed very unlikely.

But as the power on the Mustang and the other ponycars has increased, so has the power in mundane family sedans and luxobarges. Hyundai makes a 400+ HP sedan, and BMW, Jaguar, and many other makers are over 500 HP on some models. Granted, the 500+ HP cars are generally quite expensive.

Anyway, I can't help but think that the Mustang GT could handle even more power. But I don't know how Ford could do it without increasing cost beyond the target market. Plus the high cost of fuel and increasing CAFE targets would make it even harder...

Could Ford make a 475-500 HP Mustang GT for under $40k that gets 25 mpg highway? A direct injected Coyote with about 4 psi boost?
I think this is possible. I think the 2015 GT will be under $40k. It should also be direct injected. And I think hp will be right around what you are looking for.

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Im pretty sure the 15 will just be redesign of exterior and drivetrain and that irs crap. The 5.0 just came back so i dont see them chagnging it or adding 75 horses unless they supercharge it which would take away aftermarket companies money so who knows.

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With leaving pony cars on the side, American cars these days have no chance competing with germans and especially sedans and suvs.
The only fast rwd is the 300/charger srt and doesnt have any chance with german hyper sedans. Previously we had the fastest suv which is the jeep srt8 in 06 and now its one of the slowest.
The 475hp srt engine performed worse than the previous 6.1!

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With leaving pony cars on the side, American cars these days have no chance competing with germans and especially sedans and suvs.

The Taurus SHO can run with cars way over it's price point, especially when comparing with European luxury models. Other than Volkswagen, every Euro company focuses on the amenities over pure performance anyway.
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With leaving pony cars on the side, American cars these days have no chance competing with germans and especially sedans and suvs.
The only fast rwd is the 300/charger srt and doesnt have any chance with german hyper sedans. Previously we had the fastest suv which is the jeep srt8 in 06 and now its one of the slowest.
The 475hp srt engine performed worse than the previous 6.1!

...did we somehow drop the CTS-V off the planet while I was gone?

Most "hyper sedans" also come with a hyper price tag. I don't really see the point in competing with a field already full of overly expensive techno toys. Since the retirement of the GTO and G8 (both of which are fantastic cars...) the caddy is the only player in a relatively small market.
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Been driving street /strip cars for 40 years. Trust me. With regards to power. Its never enough.

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Been driving street /strip cars for 40 years. Trust me. With regards to power. Its never enough.
Me too at 40+ years and I couldn't agree more. Been down that road a few times and it's never enough. To that I will add there is always someone faster. So I've learned not worry about who/what is faster or you will empty your pocket book and drive yourself crazy. Instead enjoy what you have and mod as you wish to what makes sense for you. A stock 5.0 is already faster than probably 95% of the cars on the road anyway.
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Meh, power is fun but overrated. I don't have 40 years...more like 17 I suppose. However, I've owned about 65 cars over than span of time, beat on/wrenched on damn near everything from junkers to hyper-exotic (F40 was by far a highlight of my driving career).

I've gone from one end of the spectrum to the other. Started out with "**** it, make it fast" approach. Driving a 69 440 6bbl 4spd Road Runner at any speed with drum brakes is about the scariest thing one can do in the modern world :kooky:I peaked my lust for power around the 1200hp mark, when it finally reached the point of absurdity. Now I focus more on suspension, brakes, and ancillary systems before power even comes into play. This has more to do with spending money on road course lessons vs. parts than anything. "The one part people forget to fix is the loose nut behind the steering wheel" :smilie

Reality is that the vast majority of people couldn't drive a Miata to it's limits, let alone a 400hp stock RWD chassis like the S197. Too many overcompensating by being able to just push the loud pedal and go fast in a strait line. Anyone can do that -- few can make a car truly dance on command (which I can't by a long shot, but I am better than most).

Power is fun. Power is addictive. But power is nothing without control. Just my .02


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I think the answer to your question is coming in 2015. The 5.0 with Ecoboost should be a 500 HP vehicle. At least on paper.

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Why is everyone excited in adding turbo or a twin turbo engine into a mustang?
First it doesnt sound as good as a v8, isnt as efficient and wont last longer.
2nd: anti lag will be present
3rd: Most new turbo engines I've tried such as hyundai 2.0t and vw turbo engines all shake at idle and cause in cabin vibration that is felt if no one is moving.

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And for who says domestics compete by their price point, I do respect that.
But we no longer,
1.have more luxurious cars than domestics (remember when lincoln and cadillacs were the best in offering big luxury cars) We dont have that now.
2. No longer have sport sedans, at least they should compete in terms of power. And the SHO doesn't qualify because imports have more power such as hyundai has an N/a 330hp v6 or a 5.0 400+
3. In SUV competition we lost too, the jeep srt8 was the only hope but it didnt compete.
The best thing here is trucks.
I hope it gets better, muscle cars always impress.

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Meh, power is fun but overrated. I don't have 40 years...more like 17 I suppose. However, I've owned about 65 cars over than span of time, beat on/wrenched on damn near everything from junkers to hyper-exotic (F40 was by far a highlight of my driving career).

I've gone from one end of the spectrum to the other. Started out with "**** it, make it fast" approach. Driving a 69 440 6bbl 4spd Road Runner at any speed with drum brakes is about the scariest thing one can do in the modern world :kooky:I peaked my lust for power around the 1200hp mark, when it finally reached the point of absurdity. Now I focus more on suspension, brakes, and ancillary systems before power even comes into play. This has more to do with spending money on road course lessons vs. parts than anything. "The one part people forget to fix is the loose nut behind the steering wheel" :smilie

Reality is that the vast majority of people couldn't drive a Miata to it's limits, let alone a 400hp stock RWD chassis like the S197. Too many overcompensating by being able to just push the loud pedal and go fast in a strait line. Anyone can do that -- few can make a car truly dance on command (which I can't by a long shot, but I am better than most).

Power is fun. Power is addictive. But power is nothing without control. Just my .02


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With leaving pony cars on the side, American cars these days have no chance competing with germans and especially sedans and suvs.
The only fast rwd is the 300/charger srt and doesnt have any chance with german hyper sedans. Previously we had the fastest suv which is the jeep srt8 in 06 and now its one of the slowest.
The 475hp srt engine performed worse than the previous 6.1!
If you do not mind paying about twice as much for the car. Sure you can get an 3XXi for under $40K but it is a stripped down anemic version lacking power, handling and creature comforts. Want a sporty variant and you are into the M3 at the price point of a GT500. Mercedes is no different, sure you can get a C class, again for under $40K but everyone knows you own the "C" for Cheap Mercedes. Want a real Mercedes and you are at least into the E class ($50+K) if not the S class ($70+K).


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