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Need info on supercharging

Well, im finally in the market for a supercharger and need help on some info. whats the max i could go on stock coyote. without having to buy anything extra. what would be my best choice? love the new i-1 but kinda pricey. whats the max i could on the engine?

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What do you mean "buy anything extra"? Technically you can just hook up the kit and call it a day, BUT it is not recommended. If you have a tuner in your area that you will be using to tune the car after the supercharger is put on, sit down with him, and tell him your goals for the car and he can help you built it with info and what parts are needed.


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i have been told i will need new clutch and all my internals will need replacing after the first few thousand miles. i want a 700 rwhp street machine that will last.
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i have been told i will need new clutch and all my internals will need replacing after the first few thousand miles. i want a 700 rwhp street machine that will last.
My car is supercharged at 545rwhp. You have a lot more nerve than me. I wouldn't even consider 700 rwhp on a stock bottom end Coyote. The connecting rods are powdered metal. True enough, the tuning has a lot to do with alleviating problems. But 700 rwhp on a street motor running on I presume would be pump fuel, would be more than running on the edge. The stock rods will self destruct at the very first sign of detonation.
In my opinion 600 rwhp is about as far as one should consider venturing , without extensive engine modification. But again, this is my opinion. I would personally love to up my power to 700 rwhp. But at this point, I dont feel like changing the engine over to an aluminator with forged lower compression pistons and good forged steel rods.

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Most people who dream about big number cars hasnt been in a car with more than 300 rwhp. Theres a difference between a 300 and 500 rwhp car. A HUGE difference between 500 and 600 rwhp. And an insane difference between 600 and 700 rwhp. Have you ever have a car snap sideways while doing 80 mph on the highway? Scariest thing ever. And with 700rwhp you can bet that will happen alot more than you wish it would.

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That transmission is potentially going to be problematic as well IMO. It's rated at a little less than 400ft/lbs.

I'm doing SAE 580rwhp and 485ft/lbs and my MT82 took a dump at 8K miles. The Mustang is currently sitting in the garage at the mechanic's waiting on my new Tremec XL Magnum to arrive for installation.

I'm not saying every MT82 will crap out, but mine did.

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Don't chase a number

Best way to make your life misery is chasing a number. I personally know a guy that blew up TWO COYOTES trying to chase 700 whp. He hit it and it only cost him 25k. Trust and believe you will be happy with anything in the 500 to 600 whp range. you do not need the biggest schwantz in the room. You just need a bigger schwantz. Be happy with it cause there will always be a guy with a bigger better schwantz than you.

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i want a 700 rwhp street machine
Why?



Sounds to me from this thread you will be looking at a short ride and a fast end to your car and maybe your life and someone elses too.


IMO, you need to take a step back and consider your goals for your car, then work up to them slowly, one step at a time.

Suddenly jumping in the deep end without knowing how to swim is a quick way to drown.

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"i want a 700 rwhp street machine that will last." Then be prepared to spend about $20,000. The first $10K will be for a rebuild of your existing engine with all the right components, forged rods, crank etc. The next $10K will be for a supercharger installation with full custom setup/tune.

Then you need to put about $15K in your bank account, just in case your rebuilt mega cool motor lunches itself and you have to start all over again.

Oops, I forgot to add, figure in a minimum $4K for suspension upgrades and a wider set of wheels/tires.

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"i want a 700 rwhp street machine that will last." Then be prepared to spend about $20,000. The first $10K will be for a rebuild of your existing engine with all the right components, forged rods, crank etc. The next $10K will be for a supercharger installation with full custom setup/tune.

Then you need to put about $15K in your bank account, just in case your rebuilt mega cool motor lunches itself and you have to start all over again.

Oops, I forgot to add, figure in a minimum $4K for suspension upgrades and a wider set of wheels/tires.
Yeah. That's about right. Forged internals, supercharger, injectors, big intake, and a tune. You should be good. Be aware that if you make ANY mistakes under load it will cost you in cash and parts instantly, no ifs ands or buts. I've been making over 600rwhp for the past 20k miles and I haven't had any problems. I don't plan on any more upgrades besides injectors. I'm at a VERY happy place with my car. And for those saying that 700rwhp is too much for a streetable dd car they have no idea what they're talking about. If you drive it responsibly and maintain situational awareness you'll have a long happy life with your ride. As a matter of fact I'm about to run to the store and pick up dry cleaning in almost freezing rain... no worries.


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you do not need the biggest schwantz in the room. You just need a bigger schwantz. Be happy with it cause there will always be a guy with a bigger better schwantz than you.
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Also, while we are at it. A lot of guys dont realize that there is often a big difference between a powerful car, and a fast car. Making big power is one thing. Getting to use it, is quite another.

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Making big power is one thing. Getting to use it, is quite another.
Unless your intended use is disintegrating tires.
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I appreciate all the info... as i was only asking because basically was engine life on that much power and parts etc.. Ive caught the boost bug. realistically i only thought 600-650 rwhp at most but figured i would see what kind of information i could get from you guys. thanks again
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I appreciate all the info... as i was only asking because basically was engine life on that much power and parts etc.. Ive caught the boost bug. realistically i only thought 600-650 rwhp at most but figured i would see what kind of information i could get from you guys. thanks again
I'm not quite sure why everyone is giving you a hard time. If you want 700hp and you can afford it, do it. Drive carefully and work up to the car's limits, and you'll be safe. I guess I don't see what the big deal is. Yes, 700rwhp on the street is just a big burnout show, but it's a FUN burnout show! There are worse addictions to have...

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