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Doug,

Great info. I have two questions:

I.) When you say throw out bearing are you referring to the slave cylinder. I looked at the MT-82 schematic and it looks like the slave cylinder sets where there would usually be a throw out bearing

II.) can you provide a summary (or write-up if you have the time+desire) on the actual pulling of the tranny? Im wondering how you tackled the upper most tranny to engine bolts? Is it possible to lower the motor by partially dropping the K-member or did you just make creative use of extensions & u-joints?

Again, thanks for forging ahead and getting this information for us.


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Doug,

Great info. I have two questions:

I.) When you say throw out bearing are you referring to the slave cylinder. I looked at the MT-82 schematic and it looks like the slave cylinder sets where there would usually be a throw out bearing

II.) can you provide a summary (or write-up if you have the time+desire) on the actual pulling of the tranny? Im wondering how you tackled the upper most tranny to engine bolts? Is it possible to lower the motor by partially dropping the K-member or did you just make creative use of extensions & u-joints?

Again, thanks for forging ahead and getting this information for us.

Yes the slave cylinder assembly and TOB are the same piece. The actual bearing is on the end.

I did do a quick little write up in the beginning about pulling the tranny. There really isn't much more to it. You do not have to drop the engine, I can squeeze my hands up there. YOu can also get to them from the top back by the firewall. Getting creative with swivels and extensions can help.


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Not to sound argumentative, but why bother to rebuild the MT 82. Get a Tremec T56 , and be done with it. Sure it may cost a little more up front, but it shifts so much better than the MT 82. And anyone with a seriously modded car , will benefit substantially from the swap from an MT82 , to a Tremec T 56.
Again, no argument intended, just what I have experienced.

But if anyone is looking for an MT 82 with about 2500 unopened miles on it and lives near Detroit, I know where there is one. Its on my basement floor.

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Great thread. Surprised its gotten so little replies.

Does anyone know the height of the MT-82? Im trying to plan a future clutch job and need to know how much clearance I need to be able to get the trans. out from under the car.

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Great thread. Surprised its gotten so little replies.

Does anyone know the height of the MT-82? Im trying to plan a future clutch job and need to know how much clearance I need to be able to get the trans. out from under the car.
I 2nd that motion. This thread is a great breakdown and rebuild thread that helps with all the caveats and whatnot. Good job.
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Great thread. Surprised its gotten so little replies.

Does anyone know the height of the MT-82? Im trying to plan a future clutch job and need to know how much clearance I need to be able to get the trans. out from under the car.
When I did my clutch, I didn't have large enough stands to pull the tranny out from under the car. You can just roll it rearward under the car to get room to work on the clutch.

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When I did my clutch, I didn't have large enough stands to pull the tranny out from under the car. You can just roll it rearward under the car to get room to work on the clutch.
Hmmm, good idea.

I have 6 ton torin double locking jackstands that rise to about 24 in. I figure that would be enough height, but 1.) I don't like have jackstands maxed to their highest point and 2.) I plan on using the HF transmission jack that is about 8 inches in height itself. I have various blocks of wood that I can use to supplement the cup on my floor jack to get even more clearance when it comes time to roll the trans out from under the car, so Im not super concerned about it, but just trying to get specs to help plan the job out.

Also, any tips/tricks to aligning the input shaft one reassembly?

Lastly, just pulling the tranny wont necessitate an neutral misfire profile/crank relearn will it? I heard that only needs to be done when the flywheel is pulled off. Any insight into this?

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Hmmm, good idea.

I have 6 ton torin double locking jackstands that rise to about 24 in. I figure that would be enough height, but 1.) I don't like have jackstands maxed to their highest point and 2.) I plan on using the HF transmission jack that is about 8 inches in height itself. I have various blocks of wood that I can use to supplement the cup on my floor jack to get even more clearance when it comes time to roll the trans out from under the car, so Im not super concerned about it, but just trying to get specs to help plan the job out.

Also, any tips/tricks to aligning the input shaft one reassembly?

Lastly, just pulling the tranny wont necessitate an neutral misfire profile/crank relearn will it? I heard that only needs to be done when the flywheel is pulled off. Any insight into this?
I had to slide the transmission off the HF jack onto some wood and drag it out. No way it could come out on the HF jack still.

Input shaft can be a pain. First time I didn't have the tranny jack and it was a bear. With the HF jack it was a lot easier. Just get the angle right and some twisting/wiggling and it slid right on. Having the exhaust/cat out of the way makes the twisting a lot easier.

Shouldn't have to do the relearn if you're not taking the flywheel off. I only did it when I replaced my FW/clutch, not for the trans rebuild. Even if it does throw a code later, most dealers will do the relearn for free if you ask nicely.

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Isn't the MT82 a known horrific tranmission? I find it weird Ford uses it ONLY in the Ford GT\302, while Dodge\Chevy use the TR6060 in the Camaro SS\ZL1\Challenger R\T, SRT, And Hellcats\Vetts and Ford in the GT-500s....what the heck caused the change to the MT82? All I've heard is complaints though the TR6060 isn't without it's own problems.
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Isn't the MT82 a known horrific transmission? I find it weird Ford uses it ONLY in the Ford GT\302, while Dodge\Chevy use the TR6060 in the Camaro SS\ZL1\Challenger R\T, SRT, And Hellcats\Vetts and Ford in the GT-500s....what the heck caused the change to the MT82? All I've heard is complaints though the TR6060 isn't without it's own problems.
This is just from my observations, but I can see Ford getting tired of dealing with Tremec.

The T-45 had a LOT of issues from 96-98, then when they updated it, it still had some strength issues with the new forks. That reverse gear setup was extremely problematic. Granted, this design was originally a Borg-Warner design, it was none the less Tremec that bought the product line from Borg Warner.

Next, the early TR3650 had serious quality issues with the forks and that pesky "notchy" 1-2 shift when cold. Ford spent mega-bucks installing update kits replacing lots of potentially damaged parts. The parts in these kits alone were nearly 1,000.00.

The 2005-2010- versions were better, but still, the third and fourth gear synchro rings don't last as long as one would expect even when everything is right.

To add insult to injury, it seems that Tremec could care less if an adequate supply of replacement parts are available to keep the cars on the road. Example: Ask a Ford dealer to get you a 3-4 fork for your 2004 TR3650... See how long it takes them to stop laughing at you! I doubt they will ever make any more of those forks. They constantly run out of gears and synchro rings and it often takes more than a month to get them back on the shelves.

If I were Ford, I would think about choosing another company to make my transmissions too!

Getrag had a good reputation on their previous products, but the cars weren't "beat on" like the Mustangs are. They have a whole set of issues all their own. I will bet that you can get the parts though...

I don't like the fact that the MT82 is a 6-speed, but it has only one gear that is an actual overdrive gear. Performance driving needs that 0.80 fifth gear to stay in the power band at high speeds and something around 0.50 is good for cruising.

This is where the Tremec 6060 has the advantage. People are pulling their Getrags and installing the Magnum XL like crazy.

Tremec seems to have gotten their act together with the TR6060 and Magnum series. These are still based in general on the TR3650 design, but they went from single and double friction sychros in the TR3650 to double and triple friction synchros in the TR6060 and Magnum. I wish we could now retrofit that new synchro design to the original TR3650. They would be sitting pretty sweet by now!

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Could I ask you where you bought the replacement parts you needed for the mt82?
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