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Daily Driver Brake Pad Upgrade?

I want to know what works on a daily driver. Looking for quiet (ceramic), little dust, but better performance than stock.


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With regards to brake linings in general,
Ceramics: They are good but do not develop any more friction than good quality OEM linings...just because they are of "ceramic type construction" does not mean they will be quiet or low dust either

Performance Friction & Hawk: Good braking, increased friction but very dirty compared to OEM.

Wagner & Raybestos: a line of products that is 100% marketing and mfg from very low quality/inexpensive and/or imported products with the mfg's not providing any back-up or support on product failures (and I mean real ugly spontaneous, catestropihic failures)

VelveTouch lining- Used for many decades and was the original lining used in all Shelby Mustangs in the 60’s (I personally have used the Velvetouch lining since 1960’s until brake lining production ceased in 1986), then switched to Carbo. Wellman has been the builder of braking linings for all of the Formula 1 race teams for more than 30 years and VT is now available again....in limited applications

Bendix- TitaniuMetallic™ II, a newer lining (semi-metallic) and although I have not personally used this, I have always been impressed with Bendix brake linings and this particular lining IIMHO would be a low dust, excellent oem upgrade/mild performance type brake lining.

CarboTech Engineering lining (Bobcat Specific) , which I have used for about 20+ years and been very happy on multiple full size (V8) cars and trucks. This particular lining has a high friction co-efficient, excellent pedal feel, wears (typically 50,000 to 75,000 miles before replacement is required) and produces less dust than OEM linings.

I highly recommend speaking to them by phone for linings that would be best for your application. Fyi- braking co-efficient is what identifies the bite rating of the linings- you want the CE to be no less than that of the OEM.....this will drive most e-base distributors & big box store "experts" right out of their mind because they either cannot verify this info or you will find the spec is less than oem. IMHO, i would look for a CE that is .49 or greater.

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CarboTech Engineering lining (Bobcat Specific) , which I have used for about 20+ years and been very happy on multiple full size (V8) cars and trucks. This particular lining has a high friction co-efficient, excellent pedal feel, wears (typically 50,000 to 75,000 miles bef
FYI- Carbotech's street compound is the 1521 now. This was going to be my recommendation. Carbotechs are generally pretty rotor friendly. I use them for track, autox, and street and they do well.

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I have upgraded each of my vehicles to ceramic pads and am very happy with them. They have better braking with less dust. Good luck!

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I went to CarboTech and haven't looked back. I use the 1521 for the street then swap out to XP20 for the track. Only issue when swapping to a track pad at the house then driving to the track is that you don't have the level or brake feel of the 1521. Takes more effort to stop and much more brake travel but once you get heat into them they will last 20/30 minute session perfect. Couldn't say the same for the stock pads which I went through in about 8k miles...

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I just finished learning my lesson on brake pads. I had SP Performance Street Plus metallics on my car for about 1 year. Even though they were sold as street pads they required a hard stop from 80+ to get enough heat to REALLY bite. Huge amounts of dust also. Anyway, if you have to have an aggressive street ONLY pad, the Carbotech 1521 Bobcat is probably tops. Be prepared to pay top dollar also. Front only for the standard caliper is about $147. Hawk ceramics would be good. I have read good review on Akebono ProAct ceramics, and they are reasonably priced. Me??? I am on AutoZone Duralast Gold CMAX ceramics. They work as good or better than stock, low dust, and no noise. Plus, they are very inexpensive. I kept the SP pads for track day in July. Hope this helps.

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thanks for the info guys

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" Performance Friction & Hawk: Good braking, increased friction but very dirty compared to OEM."

I have HAWK HPS on mine; improved braking over OEM, and hardly any dust at all...nothing but good things to say about Hawk HPS. Stock pads are just dust inducing pads!

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" Performance Friction & Hawk: Good braking, increased friction but very dirty compared to OEM."

I have HAWK HPS on mine; improved braking over OEM, and hardly any dust at all...nothing but good things to say about Hawk HPS. Stock pads are just dust inducing pads!
Did hps pads change pedal feeling?
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I was interested in the viability of the 1521's or the AX6's as a good hybrid street/track pad...I track the car maybe 5 times a year...

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Check with Carbotech. They specify the 1521 Bobcat as street only. I talked to them and they were adamant about it. They said the AX6 would be useable on the street, BUT expect lots of dust and a good bit of noise. Exactly what I already was trying to get away from with the pads I had on the car. No dual purpose pads. Run street pads on the street and swap to race pads for track days. I learned the hard way.

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I was interested in the viability of the 1521's or the AX6's as a good hybrid street/track pad...I track the car maybe 5 times a year...
Don't do it, you'll destroy them. Depending on your tires and suspension, go for anything from the XP12 to the XP24 on the front, and XP8 to XP12 on the rear for track

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