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BIG MUSCLE mods Mustang GT

Pretty good review from stock to aftermarket for track.

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Yawn...true but boring IMHO....going to the heart of the 13 minutes is...look at the Boss 302, compared to the GT.....Ford spent many a $ & time developing both.....the comparison is like reading a parts catalog and will tell you exactly what you need to do....................


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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I wonder how much that setup would set you back dollar wise.

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This really makes me want to get my car out early and go for a drive. Gotta wait for the salt to get washed off the road yet though


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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I wonder how much that setup would set you back dollar wise.
I feel like it would make us broke!

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It felt like a cortex advertisement IMO.

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Has anyone tried the torque arm they talked about in the vid? They said it's supposed to reduce brake dive. It makes sense if it builds some anti dive into the rear suspension geometry...

Then the description in the site says it improves straight line traction without sacrificing handling... And implies it's quiet...

Has anyone here tried it? Does it work as advertised?

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I went on cortex's website and the full setup is around $4300. Not bad considering the shocks are $2300
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Thanks for the post Dave - Great Video !!! IMO this is where all modders should start !!

Yes - cortex's torque arm is quite the piece - look up post from Lawman and he raves about it.

I plan the cortex torque arm, watts link & lca's this summer .

I have a 2009 c/s convertible that drives like its on rails - tracks amazing on the street - and on those winding country roads - stiff suspension though.

My 2014 coupe is nothing like my 2009 - it is very soft - so I have to touch base with cortex to find out how to make it more like my 2009.

The torque arm is all about putting the power on to the pavement - amazing how many people here want more hp without first upgrading the suspension. Kind of like having tons of pasta sauce without the pasta.

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Has anyone tried the torque arm they talked about in the vid? They said it's supposed to reduce brake dive. It makes sense if it builds some anti dive into the rear suspension geometry...

Then the description in the site says it improves straight line traction without sacrificing handling... And implies it's quiet...

Has anyone here tried it? Does it work as advertised?

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There are a few on here and at S197 that have the TA from Cortex...lawman on here has it...says he loves it...made the car more predictable...I think he mentioned it's like point and shoot now. I was going with their full setup, but after talking to Kelly @ BMR, he convinced me to hold off and see what they will have for a Watts Link...I asked about a TA and he said they MAY develop one...if they do (and I'm thinking they will based on our conversation) it won't be out till later this year probably.

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There are a few on here and at S197 that have the TA from Cortex...lawman on here has it...says he loves it...made the car more predictable...I think he mentioned it's like point and shoot now. I was going with their full setup, but after talking to Kelly @ BMR, he convinced me to hold off and see what they will have for a Watts Link...I asked about a TA and he said they MAY develop one...if they do (and I'm thinking they will based on our conversation) it won't be out till later this year probably.
But a Watts Link and Torque Arm are 2 different things... I did read lawmans review. If I can find a TA I like, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna buy it.
I like the Cortex unit, but it needs to be used with their Watt Link. That pushes me away cause of 2 reasons. Even the street version has heim joints. I really don't want anything with a heim joint in my car cause it sucks for a street car from a maintenance perspective. They wear out fast if you don't keep them clean and there's no real way to keep them clean on a car I use daily. The other is there have been failures, in fact there have been failures with every Watts Link except for custom massively over built ones that end up costing 2k+.

The other one I looked at was Griggs, but it has a heim joint on the end, not a poly or rubber bushing, so thats out. I saw lawman link to a Lakewood TA in one of his threads, but all I could find on that was the SEMA review link that he provided. Couldn't even find it on Lakewood's website.

BMR puts out some great products, especially from a daily driver perspective, poly bushings with zerk fittings. I'm hoping their Watts Link keeps following that philosophy along with some massive overbuilding. If it does I'll prolly end up getting it. But that still doesn't do anything for the TA part of the suspension...

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Torque arm...it's a relic from the SN95/Fox days. Set the three-link up right and its not needed. There are much better dampers out there than those JRi's too, but at least they didn't use their Konis! Where are the Penskes or Ohlins?!! Come on Cortex...

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Torque arm...it's a relic from the SN95/Fox days. Set the three-link up right and its not needed.
have you driven or rode in an S197 with a torque arm? Every personal account (a whomping 2, but I only spent a couple hours looking) of it seams to be great...

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the biggest thing I like about what I'm hearing about torque arms is that it reduces brake dive and squat under acceleration. only other thing that could help that is some stiff springs... and I don't want really stiff springs...

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have you driven or rode in an S197 with a torque arm? Every personal account (a whomping 2, but I only spent a couple hours looking) of it seams to be great...

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the biggest thing I like about what I'm hearing about torque arms is that it reduces brake dive and squat under acceleration. only other thing that could help that is some stiff springs... and I don't want really stiff springs...
I have. I've ridden in a TA car and a spherical UCA car, and based on those rides I picked spherical UCA. If one of the accounts is Lawman's...well...he does interesting stuff with the car but can be overzealous in reviewing parts and such.

Why don't you want stiff springs? Stiff springs don't necessarily equate to a bad ride. I run 550# front springs on my car, 250# rear. The ride is actually really great. You just need good shocks. Good shocks can take of a lot, I did a lot of successful autocross and trackdays with a stock UCA.

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I have. I've ridden in a TA car and a spherical UCA car, and based on those rides I picked spherical UCA. If one of the accounts is Lawman's...well...he does interesting stuff with the car but can be overzealous in reviewing parts and such.

Why don't you want stiff springs? Stiff springs don't necessarily equate to a bad ride. I run 550# front springs on my car, 250# rear. The ride is actually really great. You just need good shocks. Good shocks can take of a lot, I did a lot of successful autocross and trackdays with a stock UCA.
Cause good shocks are expensive...

But I most likely won't end up with a TA just cause I can't find one that I like...


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