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Yeah, I will get forged internals this time, too risky with these high compression engines. My 2005 Mustang GT with a whipple at 11# boost which I raced often and drove for 3 years, and sold is still running great on original otherwise stock engine.
I personally think you are right. I know these are claimed to be safe but the high compression has me wondering if it is too close to the edge as well after this. I mean, you werent running some crazy horsepower output.

Just think positive in that you will now have a really great set up and maybe can throw even a little more power at it. Let us know how this works out!


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Thanks for all the feedback. Will update as I find out more.


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Initial news is good. Possible 2 pistons with broken/damaged ring lands - no scoring on the cylinder walls. They will do a compression and cylinder leak down test this afternoon, but it looks like 2 pistons to be replaced or bad valve guides. Not too bad I guess, now it's find out why this happened.

Anyone out there with an Edelbrock stage one? What kind of fuel pressures do you see? I get 57lbs and 60 under boost. Does that sound right?

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Hey bird - what was your boost level ?

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Hey bird - what was your boost level ?
9 lbs boost. A/F ratio at WOT 11:3. Local experts say it was because of going into boost in frigid temperatures.

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At 11: 1 compression on our stock motor, then adding 9 lbs of boost is a recipe for disaster, add winter cold denser air, and the added pressure on ring lands/rings, rods, pistons is greatly amplified... If is was my engine, I would bullet proof the rotating mass first...and lower the compression, 11: 1 compression for a NA motor is fine, but adding forced induction to that equation is going over the top...
A stock engine with 11:1 CR and boosted to 9 lbs is going to get fried, just a matter of when it happens. You want the rotating mass to have a GOOD margin of strength before you consider adding a SC, and at 9 lbs, I'll also be looking at valves/springs... start with a stout motor and it should be ok, I would also stay away from canned tunes... have it dyno tuned by a specialist in the field, hope you get it all resolved man!

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At 11: 1 compression on our stock motor, then adding 9 lbs of boost is a recipe for disaster, add winter cold denser air, and the added pressure on ring lands/rings, rods, pistons is greatly amplified... If is was my engine, I would bullet proof the rotating mass first...and lower the compression, 11: 1 compression for a NA motor is fine, but adding forced induction to that equation is going over the top...
A stock engine with 11:1 CR and boosted to 9 lbs is going to get fried, just a matter of when it happens. You want the rotating mass to have a GOOD margin of strength before you consider adding a SC, and at 9 lbs, I'll also be looking at valves/springs... start with a stout motor and it should be ok, I would also stay away from canned tunes... have it dyno tuned by a specialist in the field, hope you get it all resolved man!
I think I will replace it with a new stock long block and sell the supercharger. Ford will warrant the new motor for 3 years as long as there are no mods made to it. I am retired and living on a pension, can't afford another disaster, or even this one.

FYI I had it dynoed and they said it was a very good tune, very safe. The Brenspeed tune was not the problem. I ran a 11 # boost whipple on a 2005 Mustang GT stock engine for 3 years - JDM tune. Raced it locally and at Sturgis with slicks. That car is still running great. Took out 2 auto transmissions tho. Second was was a built, good for 800 HP. Racing with slicks is hard on the tranny.

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Well bird - I think squidd had it right about the detonation a few posts back - if the engine was running fine to start with and no detonation - chances are you just got a bad tank of gas. Don't know where you filled up ? shell ? or someone else ? was the pinging happening through multiple tanks of gas ?

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Well bird - I think squidd had it right about the detonation a few posts back - if the engine was running fine to start with and no detonation - chances are you just got a bad tank of gas. Don't know where you filled up ? shell ? or someone else ? was the pinging happening through multiple tanks of gas ?
Multiple tanks. Even tried 94 octane, no better. I tried GMS 60k volt coils, changed plugs, cleaned MAF and reflashed the ECU. Nothing helped. Fuel pressure was good, A/F seemed ok. Wonder if it was in the variable cam timing. I had noticed the motor was a lot noisier, especially noise from the front drivers side of the motor. There was a TSB on chain tensioner, but the dealer drove the car and listened with a stethescope 2 weeks before and said they heard nothing unusual. It was intermittent tho. Incidently I started noticing the pinging at WOT late last fall when the weather turned cold, but in the winter you seldom if ever have the chance to do that kind of driving due to poor traction. I had planned to deal with the issue when nicer weather came, but...

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The dealership ordered a new long block to replace my engine - $7400.00 Canadian, plus labor incidentals and tax. I'm looking at 12,000.00 - holy schitt. Definitely gonna leave it stock this time, what an expensive lesson!

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WOW, Blessing to you. Hope you get back running soon! 9 lbs is high to me! edelbrock website say 5 lbs of boost. Was that the Brenspeed tune that is standard with your package you bought or did you tinker around with it to make it go faster? Do you think you made a mistake installing it or the blame goes to Brenspeed for a bad tune? Maybe bad gas? Does Brenspeed know of this, what did they say. sorry for asking so many questions.

I a just as old as you (I put my sons birthdate on here, don't tell anyone and I know it is disappointing! Hang in there, you will ride again!

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WOW, Blessing to you. Hope you get back running soon! 9 lbs is high to me! edelbrock website say 5 lbs of boost. Was that the Brenspeed tune that is standard with your package you bought or did you tinker around with it to make it go faster? Do you think you made a mistake installing it or the blame goes to Brenspeed for a bad tune? Maybe bad gas? Does Brenspeed know of this, what did they say. sorry for asking so many questions.

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The stage 1 kit is 9# boost. It comes with a cold air kit and a 3.5 inch pulley. No one seems to know why it started pinging under boost. No changes were made, when dynoed and datalogged after installation everythng was good. Happened irrespective of where I purchased the fuel. Even tried 94 octane. The Brenspeed tune was locked so I couldn't change anything.

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The dealership ordered a new long block to replace my engine - $7400.00 Canadian, plus labor incidentals and tax. I'm looking at 12,000.00 - holy schitt. Definitely gonna leave it stock this time, what an expensive lesson! Asking 4750.00 U$ for the supercharger kit, will throw in gauges and sender (electric) and brand new GMS 60k volt coils.
Big Bird, $7400 is exactly what i paid (usd) for my 11:1 aluminator. Its running boost at 7psi (3400ft) on 91oct. Making 640whp no other injection (yet) and no BAP. No pings but my AFR is 10.0 at WOT.

Would they charge that much more to get an aluminator? Mines running well and so far very happy with it, and a friend of mine is running one (9.0:1) on 20psi e85 at 1010rwhp. They are very stout with the forged rotating assy.

Sucks how much they hit you on labor!! My install at a local speed shop was $1050.


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Thats sux, a bad tank of GAS....really. Oh NO! So your are saying brenspeed is not to blame? Like you said the motor was fine after the install so the install and tune had to be right! You would notice something right away. Are you on a 93 race/street tune? Maybe winter gas messed it up or the wrong gas in the tanks at the pump? I had that happen to me before..........

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Big Bird, $7400 is exactly what i paid (usd) for my 11:1 aluminator. Its running boost at 7psi (3400ft) on 91oct. Making 640whp no other injection (yet) and no BAP. No pings but my AFR is 10.0 at WOT.

Would they charge that much more to get an aluminator? Mines running well and so far very happy with it, and a friend of mine is running one (9.0:1) on 20psi e85 at 1010rwhp. They are very stout with the forged rotating assy.

Sucks how much they hit you on labor!! My install at a local speed shop was $1050.


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Problem is he is in Canada. We get destroyed on prices here.

Might be cheaper to trailer the car across the border and do the work there. Even with the exchange rate.


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