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Need BBK or just New Rotors/Pads for Occasional Spirited Driving/Track Day?

Earlier today, I hopped back into the mustang world with the purchase of a used 2014 GT Premium (pics at link). First 1,000 miles are on her just from driving her home (from MA to OH). I previously had a 2012 GT Premium just like it, but had to sell it as my wife got into her PHD program and we had some bills...

Cars for Sale: 2014 Ford Mustang GT Premium in RAYNHAM, MA 02767: Coupe Details - 391918030 - Autotrader

Anywho, I customized the 12' with the Brembo brake package which came in handy for the occasional very spirited drive (Tail of the Dragon and a few track days - 20 min sessions max). Never had an issue.

The new 14' does not have Brembos (but does have the rims) As a technical novice, I am concerned that the new car could not handle it and experience fade quickly.

During my research, I saw two camps of thought:
1. Buy a BBK
2. Just upgrade rotors and pads, use DOT4 brake fluid, and enjoy.

While I certainly could go for the Brembo's, I have a fancy for some other wheels that cannot fit the calipers (and need to be able to equip wheels with winter tires, as its my true daily driver).

Bottom line is that I don't want to experience an issue while having some fun. So, which is really needed based on my intended usage? Or, is there a middle-ground?

Also, would caliper covers effect cooling at all?

Thank you all and its a real pleasure to have a Mustang again.


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If you want to stay with the original rotor diameter, you will need higher temp fluid and pads. You will also NEED cooling ducts. You can go with the ford racing kit, or make your own, but ducts on this car will be needed (even for a novice). If you go to the Brembos, you will need to do the pads and fluid, but you may be able to wait a few weekends before those will also need ducts (depending on how quickly you get faster). You will not need an expensive big brake kit, or the GT500 six piston setup (both of those options will also need ducts, it is just a fact of how the car was styled, that there is no airflow to the rotor). Regardless of the choice you make, be careful to feel out how far you can push your braking system before fade occurs. Caliper covers will absolutely create more cooling issues, as they will reduce airflow across the caliper and pad surface.

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If you want to stay with the original rotor diameter, you will need higher temp fluid and pads. You will also NEED cooling ducts. You can go with the ford racing kit, or make your own, but ducts on this car will be needed (even for a novice). If you go to the Brembos, you will need to do the pads and fluid, but you may be able to wait a few weekends before those will also need ducts (depending on how quickly you get faster). You will not need an expensive big brake kit, or the GT500 six piston setup (both of those options will also need ducts, it is just a fact of how the car was styled, that there is no airflow to the rotor). Regardless of the choice you make, be careful to feel out how far you can push your braking system before fade occurs. Caliper covers will absolutely create more cooling issues, as they will reduce airflow across the caliper and pad surface.
Based on the feedback, I was curious the communities thoughts on the kit from PowerStop?

Power Stop Mustang Brake Rotor & Pad Kit - Front & Rear K5943 (11-14 GT) - Free Shipping

Or, get the drilled and slotted rotors and pick up pads from another manufacturer?

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Based on the feedback, I was curious the communities thoughts on the kit from PowerStop?

Power Stop Mustang Brake Rotor & Pad Kit - Front & Rear K5943 (11-14 GT) - Free Shipping

Or, get the drilled and slotted rotors and pick up pads from another manufacturer?
My opinion? It sucks. That's what I have on my car and within 3,000 miles the rotors were glazed. Someone else might have had better experience with em but I'll never buy another set.

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If you're going to track the car at all, just get the 14" Brembos again. You can pick them up used pretty often or you can get everything for a little over 1k.

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Are there any other options for brake duct kits other than the Vorschlag kit?

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The Vorshlag system is very simple and works well. Blowfish Racing makes a conversion system to make the lower foglight bracket into inlets for cooling ducts. You can also look at the Ford Racing system.
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There are other kits, but I don't think any of them look as good as Vorshlag's. Yes I'm biased, but I don't spend a bunch of money with them for no reason- their stuff works, and is race proven.

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Earlier today, I hopped back into the mustang world with the purchase of a used 2014 GT Premium (pics at link). First 1,000 miles are on her just from driving her home (from MA to OH). I previously had a 2012 GT Premium just like it, but had to sell it as my wife got into her PHD program and we had some bills...

Cars for Sale: 2014 Ford Mustang GT Premium in RAYNHAM, MA 02767: Coupe Details - 391918030 - Autotrader

Anywho, I customized the 12' with the Brembo brake package which came in handy for the occasional very spirited drive (Tail of the Dragon and a few track days - 20 min sessions max). Never had an issue.

The new 14' does not have Brembos (but does have the rims) As a technical novice, I am concerned that the new car could not handle it and experience fade quickly.

During my research, I saw two camps of thought:
1. Buy a BBK
2. Just upgrade rotors and pads, use DOT4 brake fluid, and enjoy.

While I certainly could go for the Brembo's, I have a fancy for some other wheels that cannot fit the calipers (and need to be able to equip wheels with winter tires, as its my true daily driver).

Bottom line is that I don't want to experience an issue while having some fun. So, which is really needed based on my intended usage? Or, is there a middle-ground?

Also, would caliper covers effect cooling at all?

Thank you all and its a real pleasure to have a Mustang again.
Hello Rogue,

Here at STILLEN, we offer a wide variety of performance brake products for your mustang. We machine all our rotors in house and have a history of automotive competition. All the products we offer adhere to our high level of standards to provide our customers with the highest quality products available.

We offer the slotted, cross-drilled, and cross-drilled/slotted replacement rotors as well as something more.......interesting.

For your needs that goes above and beyond what the standard brake packages can offer, we have the STILLEN AP Racing Radi-Cal kits.

STILLEN takes great effort to design this braking system for the Ford Mustang, matching the vehicles weight and thermal capacity required at maximum speed, all while maintaining proper brake balance and peak performance for the Ford S197. OE ABS and stability control systems are unaffected. This big brake kit will perform as well on the track as it does with everyday road use, and is great for the spirited daily driver right alongside the track enthusiast. With this kit, the front units are upgraded to our massive 6-Piston Forged Calipers paired with 370x36mm 2-piece rotors. We also offer a rear kit that replaces the factory rear brakes with our much improved 4-Piston Forged Calipers paired with 360x28mm 2-piece rotors.

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If you would like some more information on our STILLEN Sport Rotors or the amazing STILLEN AP Racing Radi-Cal Kits, please feel free to send me a PM or give me a call.

Thank you and I look forward to working with you.

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