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I'm concerned that I either disabled the stability / traction control, or it's not working.

The last couple of times I took out the stang, I punched it in second and got loose in a big way (which is fine). I didn't feel or see any dash lights to indicate any of the AdvanceTrac was or was not working. When I first got the car (2 months ago), the thing wouldnt let me get loose if I wanted to. I could physically feel it "stabilizing" the car when tires spun a little and that's what I expected here on out.

With all the kiddy controls turned on, does anyone else's car still let them break traction enough to fish-tail?

Could I have accidently disabled this function? If so how to I re-enable full AdvanceTrac?

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Mine will get pretty loose when temps are below 55 or so. Even with all the nanny protection on. P zeros aren't that sticky in cooler weather.


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Mine will get pretty loose when temps are below 55 or so. Even with all the nanny protection on. P zeros aren't that sticky in cooler weather.
Thanks, could it be that it's all working and I just don't notice it? It has been 50-55 here the past couple of days. The wife drives it every day to work and I only drive it every once in a while, so I'm not intimately familiar with it. She doesn't push hard so she never reports anything about performance.

My Mustang is coming in on a truck tomorrow, so I'll have my own to play with. I was just concerned because this looseness just started recentlyt, but the temps have dropped in the last couple of weeks.


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It's most likely just the cooler temps making your rear tires about as useful as hockey pucks. Just monitor it and see if it continues even when temps get warmer.
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Mine seems kind of inconsistent. When I first got the car I could get it pretty sideways a few times with no indication (lights or feeling) that the nannyware was intervening. Other times I've seen the TCS light come on at the first hint of wheelspin, or in one case when I was slowing down!?
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If you have the Brembo/track package the stability control is much more forgiving than the standard system. In sport mode, there's even more "freedom". But, it is quite magical in how it works. If the track is rain soaked, I put the car in sport mode. It saved me from myself on multiple occasions.

Now then, the backend can get loose, but, it won't "fishtail" much. To disable it completely, have the car running, put foot on brake and press the TCS button and hold it down. After about 30 seconds it will display "AdvanceTrak disabled" (or "off" I don't recall).

I will add, when I first started reading this forum, there were several cases of people driving around with AdvanceTrak off and sending their car off the road. The Coyote engine above 4000 RPMs is just a beast. Randomly stabbing the throttle can lead to unplanned adventures. The AdvanceTrak system can be very helpful.
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If you have the Brembo/track package the stability control is much more forgiving than the standard system. In sport mode, there's even more "freedom". But, it is quite magical in how it works. If the track is rain soaked, I put the car in sport mode. It saved me from myself on multiple occasions.

Now then, the backend can get loose, but, it won't "fishtail" much. To disable it completely, have the car running, put foot on brake and press the TCS button and hold it down. After about 30 seconds it will display "AdvanceTrak disabled" (or "off" I don't recall).

I will add, when I first started reading this forum, there were several cases of people driving around with AdvanceTrak off and sending their car off the road. The Coyote engine above 4000 RPMs is just a beast. Randomly stabbing the throttle can lead to unplanned adventures. The AdvanceTrak system can be very helpful.
I do agree with everything you said about the desirabilities of AdvanceTrak. I do have a Track Pack car, and I have no need to turn off the nanny. It's my wife's daily driver. I just noticed it getting loose where it didn't before so I wondered if I was having a problem with it.

It seems it's more than likely the temperature dip as of late has revealed the shortcomings of the stock tires. I'll know for sure in a few days as my 2nd '14 GT TrackPack will be delivered tomorrow and I can compare.

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I can understand why the car might get a little squirly in the cold weather; but don't understand why the light did not come on.
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I can understand why the car might get a little squirly in the cold weather; but don't understand why the light did not come on.
I guess it is POSSIBLE that it came on and I was hyper focused on the road and controlling the car so much I just missed seeing it. At least that's what I hope.


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I guess it is POSSIBLE that it came on and I was hyper focused on the road and controlling the car so much I just missed seeing it. At least that's what I hope.
Yeah the light only flashes at the peak of engagement so it is easily missed if the car steps out un-expectingly and you focus on keeping control. Especially during the day it is can easily be missed.

Dosen't the traction system in the 11+ cars learn driving style and that affects changes? I think I read something about that back when I had my 2011.

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If you have the Brembo/track package the stability control is much more forgiving than the standard system. In sport mode, there's even more "freedom". But, it is quite magical in how it works.
Thanks, I did not realize the programming was different for the Brembo cars.

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Thanks for all the great information, I've learned a lot. I got my new car today (another '14, not really new but only 4K mi., still smells new) and it was the same. I purposely made it break loose a few times and I never saw the light on it either. I'm so mindful of the surroundings, I just disregard the idiot lights. Thats just me I guess, I don't take my eyes off the road.

Anyway, I'm a little disappointed/confused concerning the new car, so I'm going to post a new thread for some advice and information.


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I've found that my Track Pac system is much less invasive than the system on my V6 Perf Pkg...as in like you I thought maybe I'd disabled it accidently.
It has scooped me up in the rain pretty good once or twice though so I know it's working, the main difference I found was that it will let me break the rear end loose to a point beyond the V6's system which used to just about bust my nose on the wheel cuz when it sensed wheel spin it just shut the motor off.
Overall I much prefer the Track Pac set up.


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I do agree with everything you said about the desirabilities of AdvanceTrak. I do have a Track Pack car, and I have no need to turn off the nanny. It's my wife's daily driver.
It only goes off until you press the button again, or you turn the car off. It resets to fully on everytime you turn the car off. So unless you turned if off and then swapped seats with your wife without turning the car off, it will be on when she gets back in.

Also, performance tires turn to ice skates when you get below 50*. That is more than likely what you were experiencing and not advancetrak doing something strange.
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It only goes off until you press the button again, or you turn the car off. It resets to fully on everytime you turn the car off. So unless you turned if off and then swapped seats with your wife without turning the car off, it will be on when she gets back in.

Also, performance tires turn to ice skates when you get below 50*. That is more than likely what you were experiencing and not advancetrak doing something strange.
Good info. Thanks.



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