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Hey, I have one of those fancy stickers also


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I'm going to check mine Wednesday when I get back home. I don't think it has that sticker.

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They are all the same and 50 state legal.
I would pop the hood and see if there is a label under the hood restricting sale in California.
I'm certain the emission requirements dictate different tunes that would affect performance.

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Mine also says not legal for sale in California on the sticker under the hood. I wonder what the difference is?

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I would pop the hood and see if there is a label under the hood restricting sale in California.
I'm certain the emission requirements dictate different tunes that would affect performance.
That's a certainty right there. CA has had tighter emissions standards for decades. I thought this was common knowledge within our community. Anyway, any new car destined for sale in CA has to meet their cleaner requirements. Since the market there is so big, having such a large population, car manufacturers actually save money by making only the cars going to CA with the more expensive emissions equipment. It's been that way for a long time now.
This will definitely tame power to make a cleaner burn in CA. There is no doubt in that regard. How much power and where in the RPM range that it is sacrificed is all that is in question here. I'm sure it's only a few HP and ft lbs but it would be interesting to know.
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Actually new cars sold in CT must meet the California emissions standard. Since I bought mine in Michigan, I was able to register it in CT.
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Cars are tuned for emissions for normal driving conditions not full throttle romps. There should be no difference in the tune for Full throttle. There might be a difference in the part throttle tuning however.

Cars do not have to meet emissions standards at full throttle.
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Cars are tuned for emissions for normal driving conditions not full throttle romps. There should be no difference in the tune for Full throttle. There might be a difference in the part throttle tuning however.

Cars do not have to meet emissions standards at full throttle.
You make a very good point, I didn't even think of that but it makes perfect sense.


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I'm going to check mine Wednesday when I get back home. I don't think it has that sticker.
I popped the hood today and yes I have the sticker, my car is not legal
for sale in California. I can't remember if my 2011 GT had the sticker or not.

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I also have one of the underhood non-California badges of honor - car was originally registered in Michigan, and I bought it out of North Carolina. A bureaucrat at my California DMV saw that sticker and insisted that I "could not have this in California." Lame and wrong - you can buy and import to Calif. a federal emissions car (at least gas powered) with 7,500 or more miles on the odo. Anyway - I've driven a few S197 V6 convertibles, including my own, and if my 'naughty' non-Calif. emissions rig has more oomph, it's *very* little extra. Unfortunately!

From my research, though, bringing a non-Calif. emissions diesel pickup into Calif. would be harder than hand-building one from a boulder of iron ore. *That* bureaucratic process looks like it would suck something awful.

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They are all the same and 50 state legal.
Then why do they have a California special? :P

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Not true. Mine is not legal in California.
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You learn something new all the time on this site. I thought all our cars were the same - 50 States emissions legal.
Nope the California special has extra cats if I recall correctly.

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The California Special package has nothing to do with selling the car in California. Most CS cars will have a sticker
under the hood just like mine.

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The California Special package has nothing to do with selling the car in California. Most CS cars will have a sticker
under the hood just like mine.
I thought for sure at least for the 05-09 body style that to buy a Mustang GT in California that it had to be the California package as it had 4 cats instead of the regular 2.

That is just my understanding though and shoot what do I know I live on the east coast and only know that info as a dealer over here told me that. I take what they say normally with a grain of salt as half of it is them blowing smoke up your butt to make a sell anyways. haha

BUT now you have me really wondering. Maybe we can get some California Mustang owners to provide info on laws and regulations and also maybe even get some California Special owners to chime in and post a pic of their stickers. Would be interesting info to know.

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Just going through my notes from my purchase this summer and I wrote that the CARB (California Air Resources Board) engineer I talked to - when I panicked because the dealer didn't tell me I had purchased a 'federal' rather than "California emissions" car until it was being loaded on the truck - said the California cars have an extra oxygen sensor. But that doesn't make sense because then all the California (and New England/DC) cars would have a different intake manifold. Which makes zero sense, right?


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