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What does a tune from VMP run? If the price is comprable the dyno is still the way to go because it's realtime the first time. Where the the canned tune it's still just the same tune that they send everyone else with the same bolt-ons.
Did you not read what I posted? It's not a canned tune if you data log the car and submit them to your tuner. Tuning on the street is now the way to go and that's real time info you're gathering. A dyno with an o2 sensor shoved up the tailpipe is a thing of the past and frankly will not give an accurate reading. I tune my own stuff and do it all on the street.


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Did you not read what I posted? It's not a canned tune if you data log the car and submit them to your tuner. Tuning on the street is now the way to go and that's real time info you're gathering. A dyno with an o2 sensor shoved up the tailpipe is a thing of the past and frankly will not give an accurate reading. I tune my own stuff and do it all on the street.

Ah it's a "remote tune" then. So one has to either buy the data logging stuff or rent it from the remote tuner. What does that run and is really worth the extra cost for a stock car w bolt-ons..?
So often are you making tuning adjustments? Are you buying new parts each week that require a tune? Is this a race car that you take to different parts of the country so you have to make adjustments for weather, altitude, and such? Or do you have a street car and maybe it's a little muggy out today so you "fine tune" it so it won't ping on the way to 7-11?


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Ah it's a "remote tune" then. So one has to either buy the data logging stuff or rent it from the remote tuner. What does that run and is really worth the extra cost for a stock car w bolt-ons..?
So often are you making tuning adjustments? Are you buying new parts each week that require a tune? Is this a race car that you take to different parts of the country so you have to make adjustments for weather, altitude, and such? Or do you have a street car and maybe it's a little muggy out today so you "fine tune" it so it won't ping on the way to 7-11?
I'll break it down real simple for you since it appears you don't have any experience beyond fox body cars.

There is no data logging stuff to buy. You can use the SCT tuner device and a lap top or in the case of Lund data log right with his ngauge.

Whether you tune on the street or on a dyno you still must purchase an SCT tuner. Either an X3 or X4 for these cars.

You log the tune for the tuner and he will tell you if you need a revision or not. If you add parts later on and need a revision your tuner will email you an updated tune. Some parts require it, some don't. Tune updates are usually free with the exception of something like cams, E85, or F/I.

What you seem to be having a hard time grasping is the front o2 sensors are now widebands and will adjust A/F and timing by themselves depending on weather or octane of gas you are running. They will also pull timing if knock is detected.

Technology has come a long way since the days of putting a chip in a fox body. It's time to accept it.

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I'll break it down real simple for you since it appears you don't have any experience beyond fox body cars.

There is no data logging stuff to buy. You can use the SCT tuner device and a lap top or in the case of Lund data log right with his ngauge.

Whether you tune on the street or on a dyno you still must purchase an SCT tuner. Either an X3 or X4 for these cars.

You log the tune for the tuner and he will tell you if you need a revision or not. If you add parts later on and need a revision your tuner will email you an updated tune. Some parts require it, some don't. Tune updates are usually free with the exception of something like cams, E85, or F/I.

What you seem to be having a hard time grasping is the front o2 sensors are now widebands and will adjust A/F and timing by themselves depending on weather or octane of gas you are running. They will also pull timing if knock is detected.

Technology has come a long way since the days of putting a chip in a fox body. It's time to accept it.
So there's no need for a megasquirt, quaterhorse, etc to record data? Just a hand held tuner/chip and you plug a laptop into the diagnostic port?


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Man, Rod Serling would have written one of those classic man-out-of-time episodes of the Twilight Zone to describe you; "100 yards over the rim", indeed. You are going to be absolutely flabbergasted what you can do today and how easy tuning a car is, once you get into the 21st Century, knowledge-wise.

Start reading up on these subjects (Google is your friend): SCT X4, NGauge, Hptuners, VCMsuite

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Man, Rod Serling would have written one of those classic man-out-of-time episodes of the Twilight Zone to describe you; "100 yards over the rim", indeed. You are going to be absolutely flabbergasted what you can do today and how easy tuning a car is, once you get into the 21st Century, knowledge-wise.

Start reading up on these subjects (Google is your friend): SCT X4, NGauge, Hptuners, VCMsuite

Nah, no need. I don't have an application to use my new found knowledge on. So one more time, no software is needed to send the data that the stock o2's are recording to whomever is doing the tune?


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