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Rear Seat Delete.....What Is This??

I'm gonna remove the USELESS rear seats and build panels to replace them!!
When I removed the rear seats today I found what appears to be a BIG BOLT that looks important!!
What is it and how to work around it???

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You don't. That's your upper control arm mount bolt. 350 lbs/ft torqued on there, with locktight.


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Its the upper control arm bracket mount.

GO ahead and remove it, it doesn't do anything important......

But seriously, yeah don't remove it. You would have a helluva time removing it if you actually tried.

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Impact takes 2 seconds to remove the bolt. At least now you know where to start if you replace the upper control arm with a better one.
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Hmmmmm.....looks like it will be covered somehow!!
I think the ones sold by AM have a ridge in the middle to work around the bolt!!
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Clack circles

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I'm gonna remove the USELESS rear seats and build panels to replace them!!
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What are the black circles that are under the seat and to the left and right of the big bolt in the center?

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Fuel pump and fuel tank access panels

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Big access panels.

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Fuel pump and fuel tank access panels
Thanks. I looked up a couple of pictures of a 2014 Mustang fuel pump and they show why the access panel is so big:


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I am going have see what the fuel pump looks like from the underside of my car. The bottom of the car is not very high off the ground. I am puzzled as to how this fuel pump sticks through the floor under the back seat. It seem like it would not have very much clearance from what is below the car. I confess to being behind the times. I am used to the fuel pump being under the hood.

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I am going have see what the fuel pump looks like from the underside of my car. The bottom of the car is not very high off the ground. I am puzzled as to how this fuel pump sticks through the floor under the back seat. It seem like it would not have very much clearance from what is below the car.
I haven't looked but more than likely the pump is in the tank. This is pretty common among most makes and models.
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It is. One panel accesses the pump and one the level sender.

Fuel pump changes are unnecessary on this car, in most cases. The pump voltage is regulated by the ECM and capped at 54 psi because the system is returnless. If this makes no sense, time to upgrade the knowledge base on what modern cars are capable of.

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Gas tank access.

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One panel accesses the pump and one the level sender.
It seems to be a bit hazardous to have two big access ports to the gas tank inside the car.

Falcons and early Mustangs (1965 - 1970) used the top of the gas tank as the floor of the trunk. The only thing that separated the trunk from the car's interior was the back seat. If the tank ruptured in a rear end collision, gasoline was inside the car. See: Mustang: A Classic Danger? - CBS News

After the problem of Pintos catching fire, Ford started suspending the gas tank underneath the bottom of the car with straps. That put the gas tank outside the car and placed a continuous steel floor between the gas tank and the car's interior.

Now Ford has put gas tank access panels inside the car under the back seat. It seems like a step backwards.

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If that gas tank gets ruptured, you're probably already dead, because the cabin of the car has been crushed.

Regarding the Pinto, from an article in Popular Mechanics (via Google), "Upon impact, the filler neck would tear away from the sheet-metal tank and spill fuel beneath the car. The tank was also easily punctured by bolts protruding from the differential and nearby brackets"

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After the problem of Pintos catching fire, Ford started suspending the gas tank underneath the bottom of the car with straps.
I guess that I was wrong regarding my statement about Pinto gas tanks. They used the "safe" method of being suspended under the car by straps. Here is a picture of the gas tank on a 1977 Pinto wagon:

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That did not help much when, as Freewayflyer referenced,: "Upon impact, the filler neck would tear away from the sheet-metal tank and spill fuel beneath the car. The tank was also easily punctured by bolts protruding from the differential and nearby brackets"

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I guess that I was wrong regarding my statement about Pinto gas tanks. They used the "safe" method of being suspended under the car by straps. Here is a picture of the gas tank on a 1977 Pinto wagon:

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That did not help much when, as Freewayflyer referenced,: "Upon impact, the filler neck would tear away from the sheet-metal tank and spill fuel beneath the car. The tank was also easily punctured by bolts protruding from the differential and nearby brackets"

So like every fox body mustang ever made...

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It seems to be a bit hazardous to have two big access ports to the gas tank inside the car.

Falcons and probably early Mustangs used the top of the gas tank as the floor of the trunk. The only thing that separated the trunk from the car's interior was the back seat. If the tank ruptured in a rear end collision, gasoline was inside the car.

After the problem of Pintos catching fire, Ford started suspending the gas tank underneath the bottom of the car with straps. That put the gas tank outside the car and placed a continuous steel floor between the gas tank and the car's interior.

Now Ford has put gas tank access panels inside the car under the back seat. It seems like a step backwards.
Holy ****, Rip Van Winkle, where ya been for the last 40+ years?

You want to talk safety in this car? I walked out, yes, walked out of this rollover with two cracked ribs.

The tank in this car is ABS plastic and placed in the strongest part of the floor pan, with the axle on one side and trans and engine on the other and steel panels around it. It's as well fortified as any part on the car. Those access ports are just that, access to the sealed and lock ringed parts beneath them, If gas was to try to get inside that way, the entire passenger tub would have to be crushed like a beer can.

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