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Sorry guys but I just don't agree with you on this. Don't get me wrong it was a very nice car, just not night and day like I thought it would be.

I wasn't riding with a dealer, I got it out on a highway and did get on the throttle. Maybe my expectations were too high.


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If you don't think the 5.0 is a great machine(performance wise), then you don't deserve to drive one. It has 100 more horsepower, 65 more torque. better aerodynamics, better suspension, a live axle that outperforms the maro's IRS and a redline of 7000 rpms! And best of all you can get the package for less than $40k!
If comparing it to a 10 it only has 55lbs more tq and what is the equavilant of 87 more HP. (premium gas)

Going from 3.73s to 3.15s with only 55lbs more tq could yeild confusion for someone expecting to go from a rowboat to a rocket ship 335ft/390ft lbs tq is only a 15% increase. Throw in the difference in pull going from 3.73s to 3.15s with only a 15% increase in Tq and expecting to be "twice as good" would leave someone bewildered..its not twice as much pull its...15% more pull.

Now.... (as several have mentioned here) get into the higher speeds and wind out the rpm (where the 4.6 starts running out of breath) and the tq numbers arent the issue...then you are feeling the extra "100" horsepower....at those RPMs its not 15% better..its 25% better...and gears wouldnt matter much at that point either..

Soo..i can see both sides.


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Mine has 3.31 rear end gears and a 2010 GT was no contest; taking candy from a baby.

The standard 2010GTs with 3.31s or less are AWFUL..not a contest for my car either...could never get it less than 5.6 in 0-60 and i can easily do 5 or less in the 2010gt i have now....so saying that a regular 2010Gt was "no contest"...really isnt say much (from someone who has owned 2).

Nonetheless...i will be at a dealer some time in 12 or so....maybe when the Boss version comes out with the 430+ ratings..... thats the one id like

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That 2010 you raced must have a crappy driver or it is the standard gear GT. I agree with the OP. I drove a 3.31 auto 5.0 and I actually like my 3.73 2010 GT better. Yes, the 5.0 has more power (in stock form), but I was not "wowed" like I thought I would be. Maybe a 3.73 5.0 6 speed would "wow" me, but I'll wait until 2012.
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Expectations have alot to do with it! There are also some other factors in play as well I believe.

When I picked up my 2011 last month, I must admit, the first day I felt dissapointed with the performance. Then a couple days later it really impressed me - I wasn't overthinking, just DRIVING, and wow what an engine. Now 1400mi later, I wonder "how could have I possiblly felt that way to begin with"? Contributing factors I believe: 1.) The exhaust is quieter than previous years. 2.) The chassis is tight /well engineered so therefore handles the power output very well. 3.) The NVH of the driveline is extremely low.
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That 2010 you raced must have a crappy driver or it is the standard gear GT. I agree with the OP. I drove a 3.31 auto 5.0 and I actually like my 3.73 2010 GT better. Yes, the 5.0 has more power (in stock form), but I was not "wowed" like I thought I would be. Maybe a 3.73 5.0 6 speed would "wow" me, but I'll wait until 2012.
You guys need to understand, from my point of view this thing is like a rocket going from a Challenger RT to a 11 Mustang 5.0. I drove a 2010 GT w/ 3.73 gears and the only difference was accelerating from a stop but it didn't feel much different than the '11. Acceleration while cruising, the 5.0 is way better than the 4.6. Besides couldn't see trading my Challenger for an engine which has run it's course and is now yesterdays technology, not to mention the 6 speed tranny. I have to drive 60 miles a day to and from work daily on GA400. I want the best of both worlds - lots of power and fuel economy - case for the 3.31 gears.
For what it's worth, about $4,000.00 will get power levels comperable to the 5.0 in the 4.6 - this is what is being done at our "speed shop" for those die hard 4.6 guys.

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I've had my 5.0 - MT - brembo pkg - 3.55 for about a week/ 500 mixed miles and have learned to keep the rev's up (3K and up) than with the 4.6 I've also been surprised to find I use all 6 gears a lot - 3 thru 5 are sweet while 6th is dull & quiet (2K @ 65 - 70 mph). If i can believe the goofy bar chart on the dash, mileage in 6th appears to be best @ 80 mph ....interesting (VCT thing?). Handling is absolutely superb and worth the occasional rough ride over worn CA frwy. Biggest anxiety was no spare & can goop in trunk so I bought an $8 plug kit and $.79 bottle of water and feel better now.

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You guys need to understand, from my point of view this thing is like a rocket going from a Challenger RT to a 11 Mustang 5.0. I drove a 2010 GT w/ 3.73 gears and the only difference was accelerating from a stop but it didn't feel much different than the '11. Acceleration while cruising, the 5.0 is way better than the 4.6. Besides couldn't see trading my Challenger for an engine which has run it's course and is now yesterdays technology, not to mention the 6 speed tranny. I have to drive 60 miles a day to and from work daily on GA400. I want the best of both worlds - lots of power and fuel economy - case for the 3.31 gears.
For what it's worth, about $4,000.00 will get power levels comperable to the 5.0 in the 4.6 - this is what is being done at our "speed shop" for those die hard 4.6 guys.
I am the first to defend the 4.6 especially the 10 which had all the normal "mods" for free. I am the first to point out the 11 is not THAT much faster (as people claim). It's a great evolutionary step, not revolutionary.

But you are right. When it comes to acceleration at speed, the 4.6 won't compete. When it comes to wot drag racing, the 10 will be left 1 to 3 car lengths behind.

Still love that it's perfected and bulletproof though.

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I would think since there is about a 1 sec difference between a 2011 and 2010 in their 1/4 mile elapsed times, and the faster car is trapping at about 110 mph, or 160 feet per second - therefore the difference is more like 8 car lengths between the two. In practice it may be closer but probably more than 1-3 lengths!
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I've got love for both cars, but honestly, unless you do drop another 4K$ into the engine, don't mess with the 5.0. Then you'd have to drop some more cash into the chassis if you want to hit the twisties. If anyone wants to see how many car lengths the 4.6 will finish behind the 5.0 in 1/4, look me up in a few months. I live a mile from the dragstrip. We could put it on youtube, etc...

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I test drove a 2011 5.0 today and I can say that I am not overally impressed with it. I have a 2005 GT and I really didn't think it was a HUGE difference in performance. Yes I could tell a difference and yes it was very nice. If I didn't have a mustang and looked to get one this would be my first choice. But for me I was not compelled to trade in my GT for the upgrade.

Anyone else with a GT drive a 5.0 and think this?


Well I have to ask if you have had any work done to the 2005 GT? What is the rear gear ratio? (3.31, 3.55, 3.73...etc). I have a 2009 GT and want to test drive a 5.0 soon so I can see how much faster it really is. I am really hoping I have the same reaction as you so i don't get the 5.0 fever!

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I am the first to defend the 4.6 especially the 10 which had all the normal "mods" for free. I am the first to point out the 11 is not THAT much faster (as people claim). It's a great evolutionary step, not revolutionary.

But you are right. When it comes to acceleration at speed, the 4.6 won't compete. When it comes to wot drag racing, the 10 will be left 1 to 3 car lengths behind.

Still love that it's perfected and bulletproof though.

Really now?

A trap speed of 103-104 vs 110-112 (some have trapped 115 in stock form with the 5.0. check youtube) is a HUGE difference. That's murder in a drag race.

The 5.0 is tons faster than the 4.6.

I have a 2007 GT, full exhaust, CAI/tune and 4.10. Ran a best of 13.2 @ 107mph on stock tires.

I went and drove a 3.73 gear 2011 5.0 and it blew the socks off of my modded 2007 GT. The top end power is way stronger. It accelerates much faster while having taller gearing. I could easily run .5 seconds faster in the 5.0


A simple CAI, exhaust and tune on the 5.0's are getting them into low 12's (BMW M5 Territory.), add some rubber and they are running 11's.

A 4.6L with the same simple mods is barely making 12's.





Those who are somehow disappointed by the 5.0 vs the 4.6 are either smoking crack or expected GT500 power levels.
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I've got love for both cars, but honestly, unless you do drop another 4K$ into the engine, don't mess with the 5.0. Then you'd have to drop some more cash into the chassis if you want to hit the twisties. If anyone wants to see how many car lengths the 4.6 will finish behind the 5.0 in 1/4, look me up in a few months. I live a mile from the dragstrip. We could put it on youtube, etc...
My chasis is the same as yours thank you...with better tires and a few less pounds and hydraulic steering to boot. :P

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I would think since there is about a 1 sec difference between a 2011 and 2010 in their 1/4 mile elapsed times, and the faster car is trapping at about 110 mph, or 160 feet per second - therefore the difference is more like 8 car lengths between the two. In practice it may be closer but probably more than 1-3 lengths!
8 car lengths at 110 and the 1/4 is the theoretical possibility there...if you have the BEST driver on the BEST DAY...i never denined that however.

But....i usually take my foot out of it once i get up to 60ish...thats where i was getting that 3 car length number from. The longer the race goes on the, the great the difference.

Since i dont routinely drag to the 1/4 when i get in my car and go some where..i actually DO care about 0-60 etc. :P (4.9 vs 4.5)

I suppose it depends on if we are talking about at the drag strip or daily driving. The 2011 is about fast a car as you can get at an affordable price either way..but the legal limits would prevent all but the MOST aggressive drivers from utilizing most of that extra power any where but on the track.

I am not knocking it...there is no such thing as TOO MUCH power in my book

But what i meant by "not a huge difference" is that you are not going to see it jump to Bugatti or even Ferrari performance...its a STEP faster, not a galaxy jump faster.... it doesnt have solid rockert boosters and you do not have to plan a rolll over maneuver to look back at the planet when you launch it.

I still would not trade that 1 second advantage in for buying an engine in the first year or possibly 2 of production...but there again..thats personal preference..to many its worth the headache.


PS...we will proably be having this same discussion in reverse when i spring for a Boss or shelby in 2013 and you will be trying to convince ME that my .3 second advantage to 60 "isn't reallly that much" or 'isnt really practical in the real world"..



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Really now?

A trap speed of 103-104 vs 110-112 (some have trapped 115 in stock form with the 5.0. check youtube) is a HUGE difference. That's murder in a drag race.

The 5.0 is tons faster than the 4.6.

I have a 2007 GT, full exhaust, CAI/tune and 4.10. Ran a best of 13.2 @ 107mph on stock tires.

I went and drove a 3.73 gear 2011 5.0 and it blew the socks off of my modded 2007 GT. The top end power is way stronger. It accelerates much faster while having taller gearing. I could easily run .5 seconds faster in the 5.0


A simple CAI, exhaust and tune on the 5.0's are getting them into low 12's (BMW M5 Territory.), add some rubber and they are running 11's.

A 4.6L with the same simple mods is barely making 12's.





Those who are somehow disappointed by the 5.0 vs the 4.6 are either smoking crack or expected GT500 power levels.
Also on youtube is nearly 100% stock 2010 GT running around 12.9 in the quarter..granted that was probably a perfect night and perfect launch..but youtube it, its there.

What has the world come to with 1/4s in the high 12s is considered "slow" for an every day driver!



Obviously as cars get faster things will change but there just arent very many cars i need that much power to get around. I have YET to find someone i couldnt just fly around if i needed to...there just arent that many SS's or 5.0s around and if one of them decides to stick his foot in it...he isnt in "my way" anyway.

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Also on youtube is nearly 100% stock 2010 GT running around 12.9 in the quarter..granted that was probably a perfect night and perfect launch..but youtube it, its there.

What has the world come to with 1/4s in the high 12s is considered "slow" for an every day driver!



Obviously as cars get faster things will change but there just arent very many cars i need that much power to get around. I have YET to find someone i couldnt just fly around if i needed to...there just arent that many SS's or 5.0s around and if one of them decides to stick his foot in it...he isnt in "my way" anyway.
What do you mean "Nearly 100% stock." No 4.6 is pulling a 12.9 without drag radials.

We're talking 100% stock, period.

Cars trapping as high as 115mph vs the other that probably has trapped a max of 105 or 106.

An average 8-9 mph trap speed difference is HUGE.

Besides, i am talking trap speed, which truly demonstrates the cars power and acceleration, vs an ET which depends on traction and launch moreso than anything.

Case in point, you said they are not that much faster, and you're just dead wrong. They are considerably faster.
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We are arguing over syntax. I do consider 1 second to be a large difference, just not enough to account for the hype...which would lead one to believe they were producing chariots that you can ride to heaven in...have a cup of tea with Jesus Christ and then get dumped into a bed full of Pamela Anderson clones.

I stand corrected on the definition of the word 'huge"...but not on my opinion about the hype.

Also the problem comes in with our views of time and performance..you are looking at it from a strictly racing view which you should.

I made the MISTAKE of looking at it in the practical view where i have never seen someone walk into the office a second ahead of me and then FLIP out about how much later to work i was than him. lol

However, that was my mistake clearly.


YouTube - 2010 Mustang in the 12's



READ: STREET TIRES.

You stand corrected (on that point)

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Yea lower control arm, the fog light removed because that is where the intake box is. The car still had the factory air filter, street tires, and the stock 3.73's. Awesome driver. Car just went 11.96 last month on full slicks and more mods but still stock longblock. "

12.96 ON STREET TIRES....11.96 ON SLICKS

There, i admitted where i was wrong..now i will wait for you to admit you were.




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