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why shockproof instead of MTL?


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Tried MTL and didn't help the shifting one bit. Also some folks on here said the shockproof is better in Getrags than the MTL. I figured What the Hell. So far it seems to smooth it out quite a bit but still I do not think anything will help the left turn issue.


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Replaced my QDC with redline lightweight shockproof and shimmed my shifter today.The qdc was horrible in my transmission. Helped the cold shifting but as it warmed up it made my warm shifting awful as it is so thin. Seems to shift alot better in a straight line now,very smooth but will know more in the next few days if it helps the left turn grind. As far as the shimmed shifter goes I don't see how this could help as it seems in order to rotate farther over the reverse lockout part on the stick would need to be shaved a bit also. I will say that there is so much play in the linkage it is ridiculous. Just a problem waiting to happen. It seems a better connection to the car other than the shifter bracket is also needed.
The idea of shimming the shifter has nothing to do with the reverse lockout mechanism. The lockout is a solid part of the lower shifter assembly(bowl) and moves with everything else when you shim the shifter. The reason to shim the shifter(originally for Ross09) was to bring the shifter and internal transmission assemblies back into alignment to allow bind-free movement. He found from the factory his shifter would not allow the handle to move far enough towards 1st and 2nd to allow a clean shift.
 
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The idea of shimming the shifter has nothing to do with the reverse lockout mechanism. The lockout is a solid part of the lower shifter assembly(bowl) and moves with everything else when you shim the shifter. The reason to shim the shifter(originally for Ross09) was to bring the shifter and internal transmission assemblies back into alignment to allow bind-free movement. He found from the factory his shifter would not allow the handle to move far enough towards 1st and 2nd to allow a clean shift.
I never really thought about it before, but my stock shifter had very little movement to the left to access 1-2 gates. The new MGW definitely has more throw to the left. That being said, I never had any problems with grinding with the stock shifter.

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I never really thought about it before, but my stock shifter had very little movement to the left to access 1-2 gates. The new MGW definitely has more throw to the left. That being said, I never had any problems with grinding with the stock shifter.
I never had any issues shifting in my car either, especially 1-2. However after performing the shim mod I could feel more room or freedom to move the shifter towards first gear.

If the reason those people with rough 1-2 shifting is because their shifter will not allow them to physically move the shift lever over far enough, then the shim mod is a fairly simple check to a possible solution.
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I never really thought about it before, but my stock shifter had very little movement to the left to access 1-2 gates. The new MGW definitely has more throw to the left. That being said, I never had any problems with grinding with the stock shifter.
After my car was delivered two summers ago, I took it back the very next day and told them the shifter wasn't aligned directly in the middle. In first and second it was much closer to the edge than 5th - 6th. They said it was normal at the time... which was funny, because they had never seen a 5.0 in their lives! That's something I'll never forget. It was pretty funny. I went out and tried the 1-2nd turn and it doesn't lock out per se, but I do need to shift differently. I never knew this before because I generally don't shift during a turn... bad track habit perhaps... unless it is a long sweeper, but my 1st - 2nd shifts are generally after or before going around a very slow speed corner because it's a 3.73.

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I never had any issues shifting in my car either, especially 1-2. However after performing the shim mod I could feel more room or freedom to move the shifter towards first gear.

If the reason those people with rough 1-2 shifting is because their shifter will not allow them to physically move the shift lever over far enough, then the shim mod is a fairly simple check to a possible solution.
The proposed fix makes perfect sense (if in fact the alignment is the issue), and a couple of shim washers are a heck of a lot cheaper than a new MGW shifter. Would be cool to get together a tech weekend and try it out on a few problematic cars. I know you already made the offer once, but i am sure there are a couple of problematic cars in the NoVa area.

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The proposed fix makes perfect sense (if in fact the alignment is the issue), and a couple of shim washers are a heck of a lot cheaper than a new MGW shifter. Would be cool to get together a tech weekend and try it out on a few problematic cars. I know you already made the offer once, but i am sure there are a couple of problematic cars in the NoVa area.
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Let's try it again this Saturday, 10am. I will check the shop schedule tomorrow and post up again.

Here are the pics I promised last week. Not the best as I was shooting with one hand and trying to work with the other. I used 1mm(0.040") shims on this try just to get a sense of the difference in feel.


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Hello members,

If you are having a concern with your vehicle and have not brought it in to your Ford dealer for diagnosis, please make an appointment with them. Then PM me with your VIN, dealer, mileage, and contact info so I can escalate this for you to the Customer Service Manager for your area. Have a good day!

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