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Shifter, shifter bracket, or both

Need opinions on changing out the stock shifter. Obviously I'm not completely thrilled with the stock set up.

Is this worth the money?
What are some pros/cons from the different brands and set ups?
Are there warranty concerns with replacing the shifter components?
I've heard some concerns with noise and heat. I don't want that.
I don't currently have any issues with the MT82.
Would replacing the shifter make it more or less likely to have issues down the road?


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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-21-2012
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This article explains it quite well:

SVTPerformance MGW Omnibus : MGW MT-82 Shifter Preview, Install, and Review - SVTPerformance


If you prefer watching Youtubes than reading the article, follow these videos:

SVTPerformance.com : MGW MT-82 Shifter Preview (1/2) - YouTube

SVTPerformance.com : MGW MT-82 Shifter Preview (2/2) - YouTube


There are other products out there that do a pretty good job of cleaning up the shifts, but I would have to say this is the best piece of hardware out right now for our cars. It's definitely worth the money, especially if a person does any AutoX or Road racing - it's much more precise, better throw, cleaner throw, more defined shifts and the reverse lockout doesn't "slip" into reverse anymore with the metal lockout mechanism.

I have no issues with noise or heat from it. Maybe a 5db increase at most (but it actually sounds pretty bad ass), nothing that people really should be complaining about. I did get the optional noise/heat shield.

Will it prevent your MT-82 from going out? No. The syncro's are just designed poorly and will easily get ruined with improper use. However, I do feel confident enough to say it is one step towards being a slight preventive measure for this kind of synchro wear.


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I installed the steeda shifter bracket/bushing and so far am much happier. A bit more NVH (I used the race bushing), but that sort of stuff, if mild, doesn't bother me.

When hard shifting at high rpm's (above 6000), I was having a hard time getting from 2nd to 3rd. With the bracket, shifting is louder and FEELS a little notchier (is that a word?) but it goes in gear a lot more reliably now.

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I have the Barton shifter and bracket (original bracket). Could not be happier. I wasn't having any issues with the stock shifter either ... mine worked fine in my 2012 and I never had any shift issues even when cold.

However, the short throw and the heavy-duty, mechanical feel of the Barton is just awesome IMO. I would never go back.

You have to loosen the stock bracket at a minimum anyway to install the shifters to gain access to the lower, right bolt ... so IMO you should do both. You will however notice more noise ... you make parts more rigid and less squishy and you're getting more noise. Period. Check out the stock bracket with the soft rubber insert and you'll see why. If any increase of noise is not acceptable ... stick with the stock shifter.

I doubt you'd get denied warranty work because of a shifter ... but you always run that risk when you change anything if your dealership are jerks or are unreasonable.

My high RPM, 2-3 shifts are perfect as long as I just push straight up ... sometimes I (for some reason) try to "guide" it into third and that takes me to fifth at high RPM. Just push straight up with the palm of my hand, let the shifter do its thing, and it works every time.
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I think it'll help with missed shifts (MGW is my recomendation) as far as prevention I would try the JHR clutch line (wilson manifold sells) and an alternative fluid. The only thing that may void wtty would be fluid. Save the oem fluid in a clean container....I would (if you ever have troubles) return to stock before bringing it in for service. Folks will mention the Moss act but it's easier for Ford to deny wtty than to force them to fix it if they don't want to. Some of the blocking issues do come from tight gates and learning how to use whatever shifter you go with.

an ounce of prevention is worth......

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I watched the videos a while back, and I'm sold on the MGW, looks to be a better product all they way around

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Everybody is going to tell you "XYZ" is the best. 'Most' companies that are producing these have a decent product and it's really going to be hard to go wrong anyway you go.

Personally, i went with Hurst because of their past reputation and years in business. As a lot of others will say about the one they choose, i love it. It offers clean, crisp, short shifts and i've never had any issues with it.

My recommendation would be to locate some local custom shops in your area and ask questions.
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Is this worth the money? - It depends. If you are unhappy with the current shifter then it is definately worth it. If you are happy with the current shifter and don't have any issues missing shifts then it would be a waste of money.

What are some pros/cons from the different brands and set ups? - The pros are more precise shifting. The cons are slight elevation in noise levels. Nothing serious but you will probably notice it.

Are there warranty concerns with replacing the shifter components? - This would be a question for your dealer but I am not aware of any warranty issues simply by replacing the shifte or bracket

I've heard some concerns with noise and heat. I don't want that. - I haven't noticed any problem with heat but you will probably notice increased noise levels as I stated above. If you can't live with that then don't make the move.

Would replacing the shifter make it more or less likely to have issues down the road? - I don' believe that replacing the shifter will prevent or cause any problems down the road.

Having said all of this, if you are not having any problems with your stock shifter I would recommend that you stay with it. Why spend the money to replace something that works fine. Save the cash for some other mod that will enhance your driving experience.

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The biggest problem with the plastic-knob OEM shifter is the cylindrical knob forces your wrist into stupid positions and you can't hold the shifter properly.

IMO just buy a spherical shift ball + the adaptor and be done with it for maybe $45 and 5 minutes of work. That is definitely worth it.

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Try a bracket first. I went with the Steeda and I have no intentions of buying an actual shifter now. High RPM shifting is perfect now. Also easier to remove than the whole assembly incase warranty work is needed.

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Is this worth the money? I got my Steeda Tri-Ax shifter and bracket last year for $220 on sale during the winter.

What are some pros/cons from the different brands and set ups? Mine uses the stock shifter ball and boot with no problems.

Are there warranty concerns with replacing the shifter components? You won't void the warranty by switching shifters. Any warranty concerns with the transmission would be related to abusing the drivetrain. The shifter mod would not cause this.

I've heard some concerns with noise and heat. I don't want that. My Steeda has no increased noise or heat.

I don't currently have any issues with the MT82. I didn't either. I switched out the bracket first for a few months, and this improved the shifting for me. The installation of the shifter made it even better.

Would replacing the shifter make it more or less likely to have issues down the road? The shifter would not affect it negatively. If anything, it would help to avoid issues. The stock shifter and bushing is the weakest link in the drivetrain.

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I went through this for months trying to figure out what to do, even bought another shifter that was terrible...

Do yourself a favor and get a MGW, it really is the only way to go.

It replaces the entire Shift box, Shifter and how it is mounted, it's well worth it...

Plus it works excellently...

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Go with the barton shifter its worth the money

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+1 on the MGW... pricey? Yes. Worth every cent? Absolutely.
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I went with the barton shifter and bracket(regular). Way too loud when shifting into gears. I switched back to the stock bracket. Definitely decreased the "thud" when shifting into gears, but there was still very noticeable tranny noise coming through the shifter. So, I sent everything back to barton for a full refund within 30 days. I'm contemplating the steeda shifter with the stock bracket, but I'm still worried about noticeable noise coming through the shifter.


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