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does this make and sence to do? to do?

I'm not likely going to ever do a CAI for many reasons that I already mentioned in other threads. So since the stock mustang 2013 already has a CAI I was thinking to just get a better breathing air filter like a k&n or other better breathng filter. The main question is would it be worth doing a larger diameter throttle body on the stock air intake? Can I expect to see any HP gains doing the above? How about better engine/exhaust sound? Lastly, does this require a tune and could this void the warranty?


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Well any mods to increase the air going into the engine requires a tune. So if the stock tube is optimized to flow air for the stock TB then if you put a larger TB then your just defeating the purpose of the larger TB. So larger TB then you need a CAI and Tune.

As for the exhaust noise, it may change slightly if at all. you would have to change you pipes or Axel back.



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CAI and Tune covered if you do this...

Putting on a CAI and tune is real easy, however, depending on your Ford Dealership; if you have them install it it will be covered under the warrant. I bought my GT from Ken Grody Ford here in Buena Park and that put on the CAI, Steeda Tune and FRPP Cat Backs. I still have a FULL warranty. That would be the way to go. It might cost a little more (Labor), however, to have a full warranty for bolt on mods is awesome.

Again, all this would be entirely up to the Ford Dealer you are dealing with.

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I would not expect any gain at all from a bigger throttle body on an otherwise stock car.

The freer-flowing air filter element might provide some small gains, but I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference.

For exhaust note, go with a set of axle backs, no worries about the warranty there.

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Putting on a CAI and tune is real easy, however, depending on your Ford Dealership; if you have them install it it will be covered under the warrant. I bought my GT from Ken Grody Ford here in Buena Park and that put on the CAI, Steeda Tune and FRPP Cat Backs. I still have a FULL warranty. That would be the way to go. It might cost a little more (Labor), however, to have a full warranty for bolt on mods is awesome.

Again, all this would be entirely up to the Ford Dealer you are dealing with.

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well I purchased the car to work on it myself. but thanks for the heads up. i'll have to think about that one...

question? did they do the steeda tune for you? I was under the impression that a tune would void parts of the warranty.

I may just have to wait out the warranty then start modding it. Its already got an axleback and strut tower brace. AND... looks nothing like stock with all the appearance mods already performed. I'm going to try and post some pics soon.

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OP. If you are the least bit concerned about warranty issues. Leave your car alone. An air filter change, as well as a throttle body may give you some gains, but they wont transform your car into a pro mod.
sounds like you want performance, but are concerned about warranties.
There is no free lunch. Air cleaner and throttle body modifications will net you some power gains. And may present problems at the dealer should you need to take the car in.
It is an entirely personal decision whether or not you chose to mod.
the mods you have mentioned will give you a limited power increase. it is up to you, to weigh out the consequences.
In my case, I was willing to forfeit the warranty, to get, what I wanted. Not everyone has that inclination.
So my advice to you is , enjoy your car for what it is. And when and if you decide to seriously mod it, forget about warranties. Because one you decide to cross the line, there is no turning back.

So,to make a long story short. lower restriction air cleaner, bigger throttle body = miniscule increases. On a stock, motor.

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OP. If you are the least bit concerned about warranty issues. Leave your car alone. An air filter change, as well as a throttle body may give you some gains, but they wont transform your car into a pro mod.
sounds like you want performance, but are concerned about warranties.
There is no free lunch. Air cleaner and throttle body modifications will net you some power gains. And may present problems at the dealer should you need to take the car in.
It is an entirely personal decision whether or not you chose to mod.
the mods you have mentioned will give you a limited power increase. it is up to you, to weigh out the consequences.
In my case, I was willing to forfeit the warranty, to get, what I wanted. Not everyone has that inclination.
So my advice to you is , enjoy your car for what it is. And when and if you decide to seriously mod it, forget about warranties. Because one you decide to cross the line, there is no turning back.

So,to make a long story short. lower restriction air cleaner, bigger throttle body = miniscule increases. On a stock, motor.
That's about right... would love to mod it now but I'm not ready to give up wsrrsnty ona 3500 mile car just yet. ill have to just wait.

Seems silly that ford doesn't allow sertain warranties and that it vaties between one dealer and the next. Seems like if you do simple bolt on stuff and tunes that they should approve some.

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does this make and sence to do? to do?
No, doesn't make "sence" but it might make "sense"...



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I'm not likely going to ever do a CAI for many reasons that I already mentioned in other threads. So since the stock mustang 2013 already has a CAI I was thinking to just get a better breathing air filter like a k&n or other better breathng filter. The main question is would it be worth doing a larger diameter throttle body on the stock air intake? Can I expect to see any HP gains doing the above? How about better engine/exhaust sound? Lastly, does this require a tune and could this void the warranty?
There have been quite a few reports that the K&N replacement filter for the stock airbox adds absolutely no power and a few reports of losses of 1-3 HP, but that small of a difference is within the margin of error of any dyno so the K&N is basically a wash HP-wise.

What you do for sure get with a K&N, or any washable filter, is a filter for life, they last forever, just wash and re-oil and use it again and again.
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Unless you have a very hostile relationship with your dealer, I wouldn't worry that much about your warranty. Obviously, he won't warrant aftermarket parts, so you won't have a Ford warranty on your CAI/TB, but the warranty (by law) would still apply to the rest of the car.
Having a Ford dealer install the parts does NOT mean Ford will warrant them. It simply means the dealer will honor the parts' warranty, and will cover his own labor. ANY shop will do that.
As always, if an aftermarket part (or its installation) CAUSES damage, Ford does not have to cover that damage. If the dealer cannot PROVE that happened, or that any other external cause force caused a problem, Ford will cover it. Think of it like a tire- if you hit a curb at speed and blow your tire, is that the tire's fault?
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More Air, More Fuel, More Power.... BOOOOOM HP

I don't speak often but when I do, I don't have clue what I am talking about. I just repeat things that I once heard and do not repeat them correctly... My doctor told me it was an ID 10 T problem and it was incurable.
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From what I've seen, a tune is the best place to start if you don't have one already.

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