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I finally was able to take my '13 V6 into the dealer to be worked on.

First of all, I want to say that my tech is probably one of the coolest guys I ever met, as far as gearheads go, and just knowing that I've got him in my corner pretty much released 90% of the anxiety I've had dealing with my issues. I talked to him back in the garage for about 45 minutes from everything about Mustangs to his built '84 GT dragster and the amazing English Bulldogs that he breeds. To say I like the guy is an understatement. Super honest and refreshing to the MAX! I will never take my Fords anywhere other than to him directly.

The first gear lunging while coming to a stop is fixed. The tranny was reprogrammed with a program that turns down the hydraulic pressure while decelerating. It's not just for people who complain. It's for any transmission that was programmed before the newest revision. If you have anything other than a super smooth downshift into first when stopping, take it in.

The LCAs were replaced. They are tight and quiet now. I was warned by my tech that the issue may return. I take that to mean that it probably will. I'm not sure what I think about this yet. See my question below.

The steering rack rattling issue is not resolved and will not be resolved, yet. He acknowledged the noise and used schematics to show me what is at fault. Being an engineer, I figured the electric motor had some sort of issue, probably bearings. He confirmed that I was correct. He said that he had been notified that a recall is coming. I trust this is correct. He suggested that I not replace the rack with the same part and to wait. I am doing that. I'm looking forward to the recall.

So I have a couple of questions. I'm expecting the revised LCA to not permanently fix the issue. First question: has anyone tried using various technologies out there that insulate materials from heat to address this issue? I am looking at possibly affixing a heat shield padding or tape to the heat shield on the LCA, and possibly to other parts as well. Second question: does anyone have any clever suggestions as to which products they've used that may be great technologies for this application?

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Have you considered an aftermarket UCA/LCA?


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Have you considered an aftermarket UCA/LCA?
Well, no. But, I had an '85 and then '92 VW GTI. The '92 was lowered, lower diff, short throw, Tokico adjustables, cam and intake, chipped, top and bottom Neuspeed strut braces, subframe X brace, Alpine system with built in Stillwater box against the seat back, Yokohama soft composite rear with Dunlop GT fronts, etc., etc., and several suspension upgrades with polyurethane. It owned every autoX it ever attended, except one guy in a f'ing Miata.

The poly can get loud, loose, and hard feeling, especially on a MacPherson strut setup or similar.

For driving around like normal, I want stock. I am very particular about having performance at any cost if racing a car, but I want quiet and subdued communication through the car, from the road to my hands, while I'm driving streets. A quiet yet tight suspension is the epitome of a quality road car to me. Screw the seats. Screw the leather. Screw the chrome. Quiet and tight sport suspension is where it's at for me.

All that said, what's the best LCA brand in your opinion?
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I have heard that BMR makes really good pieces for the 05+ mustangs. I personally really like the UPR stuff, but may be a bit biased due to the communication I have had with UPR over my course of owning the mustang I have and due to the way they have always helped me with pricing. I also believe Steeda makes some really nice quality parts as does Maximum Motorsports. I am sure you will be able to find an abundance of info on good LCAs for your car with a quick search of your model year forums on here, as am I sure that memebers in the same year range as you will probably be quick to chime in here. Good luck! You also arent required to go with poly bushings and in doing so can keep a near stock road noise characteristic as far as I know.

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I have heard that BMR makes really good pieces for the 05+ mustangs. I personally really like the UPR stuff, but may be a bit biased due to the communication I have had with UPR over my course of owning the mustang I have and due to the way they have always helped me with pricing. I also believe Steeda makes some really nice quality parts as does Maximum Motorsports. I am sure you will be able to find an abundance of info on good LCAs for your car with a quick search of your model year forums on here, as am I sure that memebers in the same year range as you will probably be quick to chime in here. Good luck! You also arent required to go with poly bushings and in doing so can keep a near stock road noise characteristic as far as I know.
OK. I'm convinced enough to look into it. Thank you.
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No problem good luck! Hopefully you can come to a good solution!

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Just be aware that upgrading your front control arms to arms with poly bushings is known to cause problems with the EPAS rack.


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Just be aware that upgrading your front control arms to arms with poly bushings is known to cause problems with the EPAS rack.
Great. So I'm back to the drawing board. I don't think I can handle having this happen over and over with no way to fix it.

I guess the most confusing part of all of this is what the community of Mustang drivers is doing about it. Nothing? Just driving around with clunky a-arms on a beloved car?

I'm assuming the revised a-arm with heat shields doesn't do anything to address the real problem. Have people moved the catalytic converters to get them away from the bushings?
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Has anyone heard anything more about that steering RECALL or is it a TSB,any more info????.I wonder if Deysha knows anything about this???
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I am curious about the front steering rack rattle. I recently developed a rattle and I have not had a chance to lift the car up and find out what is rattling when I hit bumps or a series of bumps etc.

BMR makes a really good non-adjustable LCA for about 90 bucks. You can't go wrong with that.

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I finally was able to take my '13 V6 into the dealer to be worked on. ...
Thank you for the update, Robotaz!

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Has anyone heard anything more about that steering RECALL or is it a TSB,any more info????.I wonder if Deysha knows anything about this???
So far the only recall out is 14S06 for certain 2011-2013 Ford Explorers for potential issue with the Electric Power Steering, 5.0 Coyote. Im sure if anything else comes out, well be notified.

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I am curious about the front steering rack rattle. I recently developed a rattle and I have not had a chance to lift the car up and find out what is rattling when I hit bumps or a series of bumps etc.

BMR makes a really good non-adjustable LCA for about 90 bucks. You can't go wrong with that.
Have you brought this up to your dealer, PMDmustang13? Ill get it escalated for you if needed. Let me know and PM me with your VIN, dealer, mileage, full name, and best daytime number.

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The front LCA topic has been covered en masse in this forum. I've had mine replaced early in the car's life and I have nearly 10k miles on the car without any sound returning at all.

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