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Impossible in the states? Not exactly.
As I said in another post, it's not the checkpoints that are not legal in the US - it's random checkpoints that have been ruled unconstitutional. As long as the police can show that checkpoints are not random (e.g. stopping every fourth car) and that they aren't profiling (e.g. stopping only import "tuner" cars), they meet the requirements and can stop motorists without prior probable cause.

In Canada there is no such ruling - they can just stop whatever car happens to be next after they finish with a previous one.


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As I said in another post, it's not the checkpoints that are not legal in the US - it's random checkpoints that have been ruled unconstitutional. As long as the police can show that checkpoints are not random (e.g. stopping every fourth car) and that they aren't profiling (e.g. stopping only import "tuner" cars), they meet the requirements and can stop motorists without prior probable cause.

In Canada there is no such ruling - they can just stop whatever car happens to be next after they finish with a previous one.
Here in California, when a checkpoint is set up, the cops stop EVERY car. Technically, it's legal to not stop, or to take a turn to avoid it, but anyone who does that WILL get chased down and stopped. Their justification then is that you avoided a checkpoint! Naturally, drivers will be put through the wringer at that point.
It's quite common here for the police to publish the results of local DUI checkpoints. Typically, it turns out that out of 1,000-1,500 cars detained, they get one to three DUI arrests. Sounds pretty ^&%! random (and completely ineffective) to me.

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As I said in another post, it's not the checkpoints that are not legal in the US - it's random checkpoints that have been ruled unconstitutional. As long as the police can show that checkpoints are not random (e.g. stopping every fourth car) and that they aren't profiling (e.g. stopping only import "tuner" cars), they meet the requirements and can stop motorists without prior probable cause.

In Canada there is no such ruling - they can just stop whatever car happens to be next after they finish with a previous one.
Texas doesn't do checkpoints, but if its after midnight you'll probably be followed a good ways. Had one stay on my ass for ten miles before he left me alone.

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Looking at Canadian law its worded similar to Texas law:

"Under Section 547.604 of the Texas Transportation Code, all motor vehicles must be equipped with a muffler, in good working order that prevents excessive or unusual noise. Further, the exhaust mufflers may not be bypassed.

Excessive and Unusual

Since Texas lacks specific decibel guidance, "excessive and unusual" is the applicable standard. In Aguilar v. State of Texas, a Texas appellate court reviewed a constitutional challenge claiming that the language was vague, and thus unenforceable since Section 547.604 does not specify a decibel level."

The argument didn't hold up in court. It's kind of odd you would get pulled over and cited for this. It's not like you were racing or doing something you were not suppose to be doing. Just make sure there are no local city ordinances for noise coming from vehicles. They may try to re file the charge. It's odd he wrote the ticket for no muffler unless excessive and unusual noise is under it.

So yeah you might get fined for that. I can't tell you how many muscle cars I see on the road that have modified exhausts and never get messed with. you happen to be in that 1%
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idk nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn, but, I wonder if in Canada (Like some US states) have the CA regulations and from what I know it's illeagal (sp?) to alter pretty much anything relating to emmisions.

side note: just last week I pointed out the WD-40 can that said "NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA" I can buy other Weed but not WD-40?

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side note: just last week I pointed out the WD-40 can that said "NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA" I can buy other Weed but not WD-40?
Not trying to go far down the side path, but many products "misbehave" when used in California...

WD-40 makes a California compliant product but continues to sell the non-California version elsewhere.

It may have been the propellant they were using...

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Looking at Canadian law its worded similar to Texas law:

"Under Section 547.604 of the Texas Transportation Code, all motor vehicles must be equipped with a muffler, in good working order that prevents excessive or unusual noise. Further, the exhaust mufflers may not be bypassed.

Excessive and Unusual

Since Texas lacks specific decibel guidance, "excessive and unusual" is the applicable standard. In Aguilar v. State of Texas, a Texas appellate court reviewed a constitutional challenge claiming that the language was vague, and thus unenforceable since Section 547.604 does not specify a decibel level."

The argument didn't hold up in court. It's kind of odd you would get pulled over and cited for this. It's not like you were racing or doing something you were not suppose to be doing. Just make sure there are no local city ordinances for noise coming from vehicles. They may try to re file the charge. It's odd he wrote the ticket for no muffler unless excessive and unusual noise is under it.

So yeah you might get fined for that. I can't tell you how many muscle cars I see on the road that have modified exhausts and never get messed with. you happen to be in that 1%
Many US states keep laws like this simply because they're vague. That makes it almost impossible for the average person to fight the ticket, so most simply cough up the fine- which is what the court wants, in the first place.

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idk nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn, but, I wonder if in Canada (Like some US states) have the CA regulations and from what I know it's illeagal (sp?) to alter pretty much anything relating to emmisions.
Mufflers have nothing to do with emissions, although pretty much everywhere you'll find laws stating that it's illegal to run without them.
Here in CA, it's highly unusual to get pulled over JUST for sound. Generally, excessive noise is something you're cited for after being stopped. Our 95db (not 93 as someone else posted) is very generous, and in the first couple of years of that law, over 90% of cited vehicles were found to be legal. Most other states/counties/cities aren't as lucky and have those "illegal to modify" laws still on the books.
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Many US states keep laws like this simply because they're vague. That makes it almost impossible for the average person to fight the ticket, so most simply cough up the fine- which is what the court wants, in the first place.



Mufflers have nothing to do with emissions, although pretty much everywhere you'll find laws stating that it's illegal to run without them.
Here in CA, it's highly unusual to get pulled over JUST for sound. Generally, excessive noise is something you're cited for after being stopped. Our 95db (not 93 as someone else posted) is very generous, and in the first couple of years of that law, over 90% of cited vehicles were found to be legal. Most other states/counties/cities aren't as lucky and have those "illegal to modify" laws still on the books.
i think the hondas and acuras get f***** with the most. my buddy had a 93? sentra ser with a loud muffler and he got pulled over at least twice with that muffler in 2 years or less owning the car. probably the cops were profiling his car. he lived in the bay
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i think the hondas and acuras get f***** with the most. my buddy had a 93? sentra ser with a loud muffler and he got pulled over at least twice with that muffler in 2 years or less owning the car. probably the cops were profiling his car. he lived in the bay
Twice in 2 years is bad?..



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i think the hondas and acuras get f***** with the most. my buddy had a 93? sentra ser with a loud muffler and he got pulled over at least twice with that muffler in 2 years or less owning the car. probably the cops were profiling his car. he lived in the bay
Yeah, thats the difference. A healthy V8 breathing through longtubes and a catted X, maybe 'loud' but is inherently an admirable sound, a true piece of the American dream, and people enjoy and admire that on some level, even if subconsciously. If the car looks clean and well maintained, it 'fits' and cops are more likely to be lenient.

A 1.8L motor screaming through some fart can like a nest of radioactive bees trying to mate all at once is more of an assault to the senses and many times these things are hung off a car with primered wings and budget eBay body panels just barely held together with mismatched and ill-fitting fasteners. Less likely to get a blind eye truned in those instances.

Frankly, Im OK with it.

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Twice in 2 years is bad?..
considering he had multiple vehicles and drives 3 miles roundtrip for work. its not terrible but considering how little he drove that car and wasnt hanging around other import meets or street racing its notable.
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Yeah, thats the difference. A healthy V8 breathing through longtubes and a catted X, maybe 'loud' but is inherently an admirable sound, a true piece of the American dream, and people enjoy and admire that on some level, even if subconsciously. If the car looks clean and well maintained, it 'fits' and cops are more likely to be lenient.

A 1.8L motor screaming through some fart can like a nest of radioactive bees trying to mate all at once is more of an assault to the senses and many times these things are hung off a car with primered wings and budget eBay body panels just barely held together with mismatched and ill-fitting fasteners. Less likely to get a blind eye truned in those instances.

Frankly, Im OK with it.
lol like your description of a small engines exhaust
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ive got a UPR o/r Xpipe with SLP loudmouth axlebacks and Ive driven right past cops under a decent load at around 3k rpm and NONE have had a problem with it. Even SLP claims that their loudmouths are 49 state legal and thats about as straight through of an exhaust design as youre gonna get lol. Now the UPR xpipe on the other hand...

I even went and had lunch with my wife today where two Live Oak cops (anyone from San Antonio KNOWS how brutal Live Oak and Selma PD can be) had finished lunch at the same time and we all pretty much cruised out of there together and I had nothing more than a glance from either one... lol

OP if I were you, I would definitely fight it only if you have no other ACTUAL "illegal" parts on the car.

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