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Just got a no muffler ticket for Roush A/Bs

Was pulled over... guy starts taking pictures of the mufflers and underneath the car.

Says its illegal and shows me a picture he just took of the muffler showing its straight through design.

Gives me a ticket for having no mufflers.

Anybody know anything about this?

As far as i was aware the Roush is legal in All US states and Canada.

Looks like ill be going to court... just need some good info.


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I have no idea about Canada...but there are obviously "mufflers" underneath the car... I like your chances in court. I would go to the police station, get a few cops outside, fire the car up with the axle backs on, take them off, fire it back up, rev it to 7000....but I'm kind of a D^&$ like that :}


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Was he a cop or a exhaust expert, what a joke! If you go onthe Roush site you can most likely print the info you need. Just a shame you have to waste your time with it all. Do they have emissions testing where you are? Never dealt with it myself but if you have them you would be able to prove you have mufflers.

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I have no idea about Canada...but there are obviously "mufflers" underneath the car... I like your chances in court. I would go to the police station, get a few cops outside, fire the car up with the axle backs on, take them off, fire it back up, rev it to 7000....but I'm kind of a D^&$ like that :}
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Should have pulled out your phone and got a video of him, it's 100% legal and would have been a good YouTube vid!
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I have no idea about Canada...but there are obviously "mufflers" underneath the car... I like your chances in court. I would go to the police station, get a few cops outside, fire the car up with the axle backs on, take them off, fire it back up, rev it to 7000....but I'm kind of a D^&$ like that :}
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What a ****. He could have just complained about it being too loud...but the whole exhaust expertise thing is a little much.
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They are obviously mufflers and are legal. I hope you told him a lot of mufflers are a straight through design lol. Sorry to hear about the bs you have to go through.

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All Roush mufflers are under the volume limit by US regulations with the exception of the off road systems and a few others like the Roush 427R mufflers (they come with the car but "aren't installed" according to Roush). Sneaky, Sneaky..

I don't know about Canada, but I'm pretty sure the only federal US laws about exhaust are tampering with a muffler or catalytic converters, and illegal to have no muffler at all; however, local places (state or community level) have noise requirements, such as Texas can be as loud as they want while California can't be more than 95 decibels at the muffler. In New York City, it's actually illegal for your exhaust to be "plainly audible" from 150 feet away.

I'd check your local and federal laws, look into the specific ticket, and go to court with Roush documents and pictures. I'd also take the car. If he wrote a ticket for no mufflers, you should be off. If he wrote a ticket for illegal muffler or no muffler, then you may be on thin ice depending on local laws.

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If you can not find what you need on the roush site I am sure you can give them a call. Heck they may even be willing to help you fight it somehow.

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Sound laws vary drastically from state to state in the US, and I don't know how the provinces might work. Obviously, the Roush mufflers are just that, although they are just glasspacks (that's what 'straight through' means). It's possible that glasspacks are illegal in your area- I've seen laws of that sort in the states.
My suggestion would be to first, determine if this is a 'fix-it' ticket. If so, drive the car quietly down to a police station (who is authorized to sign the ticket) and ask him to verify the presence of mufflers. If it can't simply be signed off, go online and check the exact code you were cited for- it may be 'too loud', or 'modified exhaust' or some such. You'll need to fight it differently (or there may be no defense) if that's the case.
Good luck- remember, they stack the deck against you to make it difficult to fight.
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Sound laws vary drastically from state to state in the US, and I don't know how the provinces might work. Obviously, the Roush mufflers are just that, although they are just glasspacks (that's what 'straight through' means). It's possible that glasspacks are illegal in your area- I've seen laws of that sort in the states.
My suggestion would be to first, determine if this is a 'fix-it' ticket. If so, drive the car quietly down to a police station (who is authorized to sign the ticket) and ask him to verify the presence of mufflers. If it can't simply be signed off, go online and check the exact code you were cited for- it may be 'too loud', or 'modified exhaust' or some such. You'll need to fight it differently (or there may be no defense) if that's the case.
Good luck- remember, they stack the deck against you to make it difficult to fight.
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Can't believe what I just read. Obviously you have mufflers on the car. I bet even his cop buddies are calling him an idiot right now for writing such an idiotic ticket.
What does the ticket say? Violation of which law specifically (noise, no muffler, unsafe vehicle, etc)? If it's nothing to do with noise and simply "no mufflers", then you just use his own evidence against him and refer to the pic he took, or bring your own. I just can't believe this though, wow.

Good luck in court though!

Edit: And if it is just noise, I never see any Harley's pulled over. . . .


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Also just found this from the Ontario Highway Traffic Act:
Noise, smoke, bells and horns
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75. (1) Every motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle shall be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon a motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (1).
Unfortunately, the "straight-through" design of the Roush mufflers could be interpreted as "straight exhaust". You might have a tough fight ahead of you.

If the ticket was for noise, then you most likely violated a local bylaw, not the HTA.

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Just to clarify this ridiculous scenario...

I was driving through downtown and i hear police sirens whaling and lights flashing. Next thing i know im being pulled over by an F250 super duty.

The cop comes up to my door, asks me for license, insurance etc.

He had a huge cockiness about his attitude and demeanor. Basically harassment is what it was. I politely give him the documents and he tells me my exhaust is illegal.

I tell him it was purchased at a dealership and installed by a dealer and is legal in all US states.

Mind you the entire of downtown is looking at us thanks to his excessive use of sirens and massive truck flashing police lights everywhere.

He starts looking underneath the car on both the driver and passenger side. He then pulls out a digital camera and starts taking pictures of the inside of the Roush mufflers.

He calls himself an "exhaust expert" who is "trained by mechanics". This guy is part of the local PD here working traffic.

He gives me a ticket for having no mufflers on the vehicle. "Operate motor vehicle no muffler" for 110$.

He starts talking to me how my exhaust is actually bad and is heavy (LOL its 30lbs lighter than stock) and how it decreases performance. He explains how everything i said is from a marketing brochure LOL

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I had Borla Ataks (rear section only) on my 03 GT and am shocked I never got a ticket. Get off the internet and contact a lawyer if a conviction has any chance of staying on your driving record. It doesn't matter what anyone here thinks or says. The second you say or offer something you got off the Internet they will either laugh or stop paying attention to you. I can comment how this likely would be handled in my area but that's completely useless to you. Have you called the cops and asked what might be expected of you? Maybe a nice one will explain what you have to do or what will happen. I have a lawyer I used in court that cost $150, worth every penny. There are many reasons I never run a loud exhaust anymore, I don't care if Harleys get away with it or not.

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