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Performance Package vs. Base, driven both?

Hi all, been lurking for a while but I am seriously considering a lightly used 2011/12 or new v6 Mustang manual. This car will be a daily driver and since I'm in WI, I will be swapping wheels for the winter. The problem I have is finding reviews of the non PP cars (it seems all the mag reviews are PP) and getting a feel for whether I'd be happy with the base. I can't find a PP car in my area to test. Is the ride harsh on a PP? Is the handling/skidpad that much better? Would I get teeth rattle over potholed WI roads with the PP? For winter driving the 3.31 is a limited slip diff and therefore much better when it's slick? Anyone driven both to a good extent and can give me a good synopses? I don't plan any track time at all. Thanks!

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You know, I drove both and maybe I'm an idiot but I didn't really notice much of a difference. However I didn't drive either on a track. I still think the PP is worth the money for the wheels and gears alone, getting the other stuff is gravy IMO.

Plus if you're going to modify your car anyway, why pay the extra $2k. I think the question to ask yourself is if you want the 2.73 gears or 3.31. You can order the 3.31s ala cart. But you can even avoid that if you think you may go even steeper in gears.

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Since you aren't taking this to the track I'm curious as to why you would be interested in the performance package other than the name or brake upgrades? Unless, of course, it's to get around the potholes in WI! All Mustangs are limited slip so it makes little difference if it's 3.31, 2.73, 3.55, etc. I'm in the same boat as hogasswild, there will be little difference on the street, besides the looks, in the package if you have little plans of utilizing the brake and suspension upgrades. Just my opinion of course but sounds like you would be better served saving your money until you drive the base for awhile and then get an idea of what you would really like.


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Better not take a Ford product to a track like it was advertised to be used for! You will automatically void your warranty. Let's just assume he just wants a little more handling if he has to avoid an accident. Then yes the PP is worth it. I drove both and to me the PP handles a little better and looks a little better. Some suspension mods and a gear change done from the factory and no warranty problems from Ford.

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The base Mustang is a more comfortable ride than the PP. Especially on rough roads. You can get the 3.31 gears as an option for about $250. The base Stang handles well and the PP handles even better.
They all have limited slip. You can upgrade the brakes and suspension later if you desire.
My Stang is a base, and I really like it.
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Upgrade the brakes and ass a strut tower brace and a base will handle better than fine.

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The problem with the base is that the all season tires are horrible. Worse than I thought possible. Go pp just for the summer rubber if nothing else.

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If you practically stop to take turns and reach an average of 5mph on turning, you will not notice a difference in suspension between the two.

However, if you ever take your car Autocrossing, it will be night and day between the two. The PZero's on the PP are REALLY grippy summer tires and the modded suspension is made to keep the car from having too much body roll and wheel hop.

So, it's about what you want out of your car. I live in North Dakota and half my year is winter, of which, I drive my PP Mustang, and love it! The suspension is the perfect balance between someone who wants a really good summer performer and a daily driver that gives one very important thing: ride height.

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I have a 2012 PP and my friend has a 2011 base w/automatic. He made the comments to me that mine felt more connected to the road. Also, he said it felt much faster. I am sure part of that is due to his being an automatic. Coming from an RX-8 I don't feel the ride in my PP is harsh at all.

At $2K list the performance package is a bargain when you consider all it gives you. For someone who wants a decently handling Mustang without losing any part of your warranty it is great. In that scenario the only good reason not to get one is if you don't want to drive a manual transmission.

Good luck in your search.
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Keep in mind you can usually get the PP wheels and tires off of Craigslist pretty cheap. I've seen them go for $600-$700. My plan is to swap my base wheels for them as soon as I need new tires.

I've added some of the aesthetic looks of the performance and pony packages already. It's cheaper and more fun to do it that way if you ask me (: The only thing I'm not touching is the gears and still wussing out on the tuner for warranty reasons.

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The problem with the base is that the all season tires are horrible. Worse than I thought possible. Go pp just for the summer rubber if nothing else.
I agree. I test drove a base manual with the 215 all seasons and it was terrible. The V6 is too powerful for that crappy a tire. For the small bump in sticker price get the PP.

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I wanted a PP but didn't want the summer only tires. I didn't realize the market for them and that I could've sold the set.

I think the 3:31 gears are worth it, something I regret not getting. Barely able to get into 60 mph in 6th and only doing 2000 rpms at 80 mph seems silly. The 3:31 gears would probably be more usable.

Getting a Pony or MCA package gives you much better tires and wheels than base. The Pzero's work pretty damn well in my book.

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I didn't need the PP but wanted it and am glad I got it (nice day toy) if you already realise that you are going to get winter tires/rims I rercomend the PP and a 2nd set of tires. The only real draw backs are the Pirelli summer tires like most summer tires have a short life span and in the 19" size are expensive!! Also the extra grip comes at the expense of gas Mileage. The 3.31 gears hurt hwy gas mileage some too. It is a perf bargin.... if you get the base model and stay away from the leather and sync. The 3.31 gears help a lot on pick up and I highly recommend them.

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I say go with the PP if you can find one and if you can afford it. As others have chimed, its a bargain plus it elevates all the positive attributes of the base Mustang. The summer tires is moot since you'll be running a dedicated winter set up.

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Upgrade the brakes and ass a strut tower brace and a base will handle better than fine.
Please explain exactly how you do that?

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