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/\ I'm not refuting you, then. All I'm saying is the DS is nothing to really worry about if you plan on remaining stock.


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I'm not arguing with you, because I don't know the facts... but where/how do you claim that? I have heard the exact opposite more than once on these forums, so once again... how do you know?
Forums are obvisouly not a reliable source of information. They do make great rumor mills though and they can and do spin both sides of the tale at once.

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2) Within those occurrences, nearly every single one of those cars had been driven hard prior to the occurrence
Therein lies the possibility that Speed Racer says he wasn't driving at 130, he probably was repeatedly in the past. The damage was already done. The DS fatigued under high stress and eventually gave out under "normal operating conditions"


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3) Assuming only 10,000 mustangs were built (yeah right, lol) and 50 of them were reported with a DS failure (I've yet to find even 15 report a broken DS), that's still less than half a percent.
I recognize you are being very conservative with your stats, but .5% (1 out of every 200) is an unacceptable failure rate for a courtesy light, let alone a drivetrain component. Still, I'd like to see sustantiated claims of 2 failures without any driving beyond the factory speed limiter


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/\ I'm not refuting you, then. All I'm saying is the DS is nothing to really worry about if you plan on remaining stock.
Agreed, but I've been saying that exact thing since the "group buy" driveshaft post lol.

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Well,Ford using the 8.8 rear end instead of the 7.5 they have always used in the V6 leads me to believe they were thinking about drive train upgrade at some point.

Anyway I look at it the driveshaft in the 3.7 is inferior.
A lot of the heat in this discussion stems from a couple of your assumptions. Ford using an 8.8 rear end in the V6 doesn't mean they intended to have V6 owners to start using 3.73 and 4.10 gears in the back of the V6. Streamlining parts across multiple platforms brings a lot of operational efficiencies to the table vs having them use different rear ends, transmissions, brakes etc.

I'm fairly confident Ford didn't intend to have v6 owners swapping to 3.73's and removing the speed limiters. I think they had concerns over the driveshaft beyond 115 mph with a 3.31 rear end. How this applies to other people who've encountered failures below 100 mph I have no idea. I think we can all agree that we're only guessing vs stating the facts.

I personally wouldn't do gears without the driveshaft but I probably wouldn't criticize them for giving it a go either. I also don't believe Ford owes anyone a driveshaft. They made a pretty deliberate attempt to avoid having anyone reach the critical speed of the driveshaft with the speed limiter. The issue from the start was most people including me assumed the speed limiter was there for the base 17" tires while we questioned why they didn't remove it for the Performance Package.

See how those assumptions work?


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So far I've found 4 in my search of the forums, where V6 owners had their busted Drive Shafts replaced under warranty. A 5th got his complete car replaced, because Ford totalled it. You would know this MCA if you actually read them. https://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...-broken-4.html
I know in your mind these are all lying forum members, who modded their cars and abused the C$&@ out of them. But this guy is Canadian, mild mannered, they run from confrontation, probably quit reading and ran from this thread after they heard me say "stupid", and did I mention he's from Canada:shiny:.
Plus when Ford TOTALED his car, and bought him a new $30,000 dollar mustang they didn't at least do a quick cursory check of his ECM to make sure he wasn't driving 160MPH or whatever that is in KPH in Canada? Same thing with all the DS's replaced under warranty...
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Do you think they should put heavier duty driveshafts on 100% of the V6s produced for the 5% of the owners that push the driveshafts to their limits?
This is what a good automotive manufacturer does.There has only been two reported cases to Honda and they aren't risking any more injuries.

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This is what a good automotive manufacturer does.There has only been two reported cases to Honda and they aren't risking any more injuries.

Honda Recalls 46K Odyssey Minivans - Project Economy News Story - WESH Orlando
But would the recall have happened if there were no injuries reported? I don't believe there have been any injuries tied to the DS... I could be wrong though.

And to issue a recall due to a manufacturer error is one thing, to issue a recall because of something an individual causes, is another.

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Can't you see that "geardriven" started this post just to wind some of you 3.7 boys up? And his follow up comments are still nothing but troll fodder..........If you have elected to mod your vehicle, you, not Ford simply need to add the proper drive shaft mod also. Leave Ford out of it. They will fix any true warrantee failures..... and stop the whine.....best regards Plum
Appreciate it Plum, almost got fired up when this troll threw out a normal operation safety issue to compare with the DS failures. Been a while since I've been baited so easily into a stupid debate, appreciate the voice of reason.

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So far I've found 4 in my search of the forums, where V6 owners had their busted Drive Shafts replaced under warranty. A 5th got his complete car replaced, because Ford totalled it. You would know this MCA if you actually read them. https://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...-broken-4.html
I know in your mind these are all lying forum members, who modded their cars and abused the C$&@ out of them. But this guy is Canadian, mild mannered, they run from confrontation, probably quit reading and ran from this thread after they heard me say "stupid", and did I mention he's from Canada:shiny:.
Plus when Ford TOTALED his car, and bought him a new $30,000 dollar mustang they didn't at least do a quick cursory check of his ECM to make sure he wasn't driving 160MPH or whatever that is in KPH in Canada? Same thing with all the DS's replaced under warranty...
No I didn't read through it, but I did just skim it to try and find the 4 cases. I'm not going to take internet posts as anything more than anecdotal information, not a source of reliable info.

It looks like at least 2 of the 4 cases had non factory gearing. One has 3.73s, another had 3.55s. A third case (the one with the video) as I recall did hit 162 mph on the dyno. I was only able to identify 3 cases, and did not want to go page by page through the thread to locate the 4th, but I will guess there were extenuating circumstances there as well

It is unclear whether Ford was aware of the non factory gearing or running at speeds 150% of the factory limiter. I am assuming nothing about the integrity of the forum members. Maybe they gave Ford full disclosure, maybe they lied through their teeth. I have no idea.

As an aside, I'm not sure why you are so friggin nasty.

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This is what a good automotive manufacturer does.There has only been two reported cases to Honda and they aren't risking any more injuries.

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I doubt soccer moms had their team hanging from the liftgate and putting undue weight stress on the struts. They were probably legitimate defects that Honda owned up to and corrected.

Yes, Honda is a top notch manufacturer. I'll give you that. I've owned 3 Hondas and 2 Acuras. All great vehicles. We have an accord now with 240K on it.

So I guess, Ford is a terrible, deceitful company that cares nothing about its customers and only cares about dead presidents. How else could they survive for 100+ years and be thriving today when most are really hurting?

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No I didn't read through it, but I did just skim it to try and find the 4 cases. I'm not going to take internet posts as anything more than anecdotal information, not a source of reliable info.

It looks like at least 2 of the 4 cases had non factory gearing. One has 3.73s, another had 3.55s. A third case (the one with the video) as I recall did hit 162 mph on the dyno. I was only able to identify 3 cases, and did not want to go page by page through the thread to locate the 4th, but I will guess there were extenuating circumstances there as well

It is unclear whether Ford was aware of the non factory gearing or running at speeds 150% of the factory limiter. I am assuming nothing about the integrity of the forum members. Maybe they gave Ford full disclosure, maybe they lied through their teeth. I have no idea.

As an aside, I'm not sure why you are so friggin nasty.
Eh, JeffOden isn't actually nasty... but like me he might come across that way sometimes, we both can sound edgy when neither of us actually mean any ill-intent... then again, let me not speak for him, perhaps he just hates you and I don't know about it!

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No I didn't read through it, but I did just skim it to try and find the 4 cases. I'm not going to take internet posts as anything more than anecdotal information, not a source of reliable info.

It looks like at least 2 of the 4 cases had non factory gearing. One has 3.73s, another had 3.55s. A third case (the one with the video) as I recall did hit 162 mph on the dyno. I was only able to identify 3 cases, and did not want to go page by page through the thread to locate the 4th, but I will guess there were extenuating circumstances there as well

It is unclear whether Ford was aware of the non factory gearing or running at speeds 150% of the factory limiter. I am assuming nothing about the integrity of the forum members. Maybe they gave Ford full disclosure, maybe they lied through their teeth. I have no idea.

As an aside, I'm not sure why you are so friggin nasty.
I'm pretty sure the guys doing a buck sixty didn't get warranty work, can't confirm that but they'd be idiots to try. And I put a smilly on here when I mocked the Canadians, how is that nasty? Frustrated maybe, because at least my Iraqi and Afgani students tried to get it, most of their efforts sucked but they tried.
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That's why I'm no longer an "Advisor", except on here where I sometimes still hurt peoples feelings. Sorry MCA, I'll try to be more patient next time. And I'm sure you are not "Stupid".
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Eh, JeffOden isn't actually nasty... but like me he might come across that way sometimes, we both can sound edgy when neither of us actually mean any ill-intent... then again, let me not speak for him, perhaps he just hates you and I don't know about it!
Hey, I'll dig my heels in too if I am passionate about a topic (can you tell?) but I don't make a point to go around and tell other people what they are thinking or suggest they are ignorant of facts becasue they didn't read an intrawebz thread.

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Eh, JeffOden isn't actually nasty... but like me he might come across that way sometimes, we both can sound edgy when neither of us actually mean any ill-intent... then again, let me not speak for him, perhaps he just hates you and I don't know about it!
No I just hate you JLome! So shut up! you and your stupid airaid, and frpps!!!
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I'm pretty sure the guys doing a buck sixty didn't get warranty work, can't confirm that but they'd be idiots to try. And I put a smilly on here when I mocked the Canadians, how is that nasty? Frustrated maybe, because at least my Iraqi and Afgani students tried to get it, most of their efforts sucked but they tried.
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That's why I'm no longer an "Advisor", except on here where I sometimes still hurt peoples feelings. Sorry MCA, I'll try to be more patient next time. And I'm sure you are not "Stupid".
IIRC, the video in the thread you pointed me to has comments (if you go to youtube) which states the dyno hit 160. I could be confusing it with another video of a driveshaft failure, but I think I have them right.

I was not referring to your Canadian comments. I can laugh at Canadians and Americans equally. No smiley required

You didn't hurt my feelings, your just coming across as an arrogant ***** (of the finger, of course), IMO. YMMV


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