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Thumbs up How to keep up with 2012 5.0 vs 2013 mustang 5.0 ?

i really want my v6 to keep up with the 5.0's, i haven't came across one but i would like to know what it would take to keep up with one .. my current set up is aem cold air intake dynomax vt exhaust and bama 91r tune...im leaning on with long tubes and gearing , what do you guys think ?

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at the moment it wasnt in my budget ...im fine with my v6 tho but i was curious if its possible or not

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Besides just tossing out the blower/gears option, which assuredly wouldn't allow you to keep up with a 5.0 but, factors aside from traction and driver skill, you'd walk away from one quite easily. A supercharger shouldn't be the only route to achieve this, per se.

You're off to a good start but, you have to factor some real world figures into this prospect. For instance...

A stock 5.0 has round and about 370rwhp with torque being not that far behind.

A stock 3.7 has about 260-270 depending on whether or not you have a manual transmission, heat, etc. Lets just assume you have a manual transmission and all other factors play in and you're smack dab on 270. Thats a 100rwhp deficit. Never forget that glaring fact.

Your torque will be significantly less, 240ish, give or take once again. The weight differences between the two vehicles are almost negligible but, they exist nonetheless. You're going to have to play that factor to your advantage as much as possible because frankly, you'll never overpower one all motor. You're going to have to out launch it, out shift it and out gear it. Of course, you're going to need to get your hands on pretty much all of the remaining bolts ons, also.

I've had several V8 Mustangs and I remember how smug I used to be towards V6's, also. Don't sweat it. Realize the differences from the get go and plan from there. There are several folks on this board who are posting some very respectable times with their 3.7 all motor. I'd wager to say that it would be very tough for the average coyote driver to keep up with them. Remember, when one of them scoffs at you for having a V6 instead of a V8/Coyote, the argument is moot. You could toss that silly argument out the door and continue to "one-up" each other all day long.

Take a good look at the sticky on the main page and what folks did to achieve their times. Work from there.
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My sixxer kept up fine with a 13 gt on a watkins glen 3 lap mustang cruise this summer, his was stock and the driverhad completed a high speed driving course there. Gears and suspension mods helped even things up on a road course. Overheated my brakes trying not to run through him. Drag racing is a different ballgame.
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Besides just tossing out the blower/gears option, which assuredly wouldn't allow you to keep up with a 5.0 but, factors aside from traction and driver skill, you'd walk away from one quite easily. A supercharger shouldn't be the only route to achieve this, per se.

You're off to a good start but, you have to factor some real world figures into this prospect. For instance...

A stock 5.0 has round and about 370rwhp with torque being not that far behind.

A stock 3.7 has about 260-270 depending on whether or not you have a manual transmission, heat, etc. Lets just assume you have a manual transmission and all other factors play in and you're smack dab on 270. Thats a 100rwhp deficit. Never forget that glaring fact.

Your torque will be significantly less, 240ish, give or take once again. The weight differences between the two vehicles are almost negligible but, they exist nonetheless. You're going to have to play that factor to your advantage as much as possible because frankly, you'll never overpower one all motor. You're going to have to out launch it, out shift it and out gear it. Of course, you're going to need to get your hands on pretty much all of the remaining bolts ons, also.

I've had several V8 Mustangs and I remember how smug I used to be towards V6's, also. Don't sweat it. Realize the differences from the get go and plan from there. There are several folks on this board who are posting some very respectable times with their 3.7 all motor. I'd wager to say that it would be very tough for the average coyote driver to keep up with them. Remember, when one of them scoffs at you for having a V6 instead of a V8/Coyote, the argument is moot. You could toss that silly argument out the door and continue to "one-up" each other all day long.

Take a good look at the sticky on the main page and what folks did to achieve their times. Work from there.
Thanks for your advice man ! thats was really true ...i would have to get what i would want to as far as mods and i do have a Manuel transmission..there for i need to improve my shifting from 2-3 i dont know why i cant get them at times...but thanks for the info and ill inform you when i do all my mods and find a 5.0..
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My sixxer kept up fine with a 13 gt on a watkins glen 3 lap mustang cruise this summer, his was stock and the driverhad completed a high speed driving course there. Gears and suspension mods helped even things up on a road course. Overheated my brakes trying not to run through him. Drag racing is a different ballgame.
Ah yes, I didn't really factor that in. The vast majority of people who opt for these cars only care about straight line performance and therefore, I tend to assume you're referring to drag racing. I got my car because I felt it would be a great balance between power and handling around a road course. My end goal is the twisties, not drag racing. If it were, I would have bought a 5.0 and I would have been very unoriginal. I prefer the challenge of owning the 3.7 and tossing it around corners. Two things that are typically contradictory to the Mustang scene.
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Ah yes, I didn't really factor that in. The vast majority of people who opt for these cars only care about straight line performance and therefore, I tend to assume you're referring to drag racing. I got my car because I felt it would be a great balance between power and handling around a road course. My end goal is the twisties, not drag racing. If it were, I would have bought a 5.0 and I would have been very unoriginal. I prefer the challenge of owning the 3.7 and tossing it around corners. Two things that are typically contradictory to the Mustang scene.
yeah my car was built by dynomax performance witch i bought of them recently and was intended to be a time attack car witch i love the handling and the feeling of all that grip it has ... but now i think i want to focus more lol
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easiest way to keep up is a 125 shot and drag radials....
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It's funny being on this side of the fence, now. Coming from previous V8 mustangs, I always felt the V6 was some half-hearted joke. You can have some of the aesthetics but none of the raw performance. The 3.7 is a stark contrast to the previous V6's. I'm getting older and the days of running around trying to pick a fight with other motorists while out on the road is behind me. So is the gas mileage and the temptation to go totally overboard with a build. On top of all that, I finally removed that chip on my shoulder I carried for so many years towards owners of "lesser" mustangs.

Back on point, a 125 shot and drag radials would skyrocket you comfortably past a stock 5.0. They aren't faster based purely on their power plant alone. ~ 370rwhp is still ~370rhwp, you know? It's not magically faster because it's a coyote, or an LS3, etc. Don't get me wrong, the coyote is a great motor but, that doesn't make it infallible. It's no more divinely perfect more than the 5.8 GT500 motor. Remember, only the LS1 was ever touched by god, right? Lol.
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With 3.31 gears, a good tune, and intake and you can keep up with one to around 80. Than it starts training and by 120 it will put about 5 cars on you. How do I know?

My very good friend has a 3.31 geared 5.0. I've raced him a bunch of times at the strip and on the street from varying roll ons. His best time in the 1/8th mile on the same day as me was a [email protected] mph. My best time was a [email protected] mph. till around 60 cause of traction limitations I keep up than by 80 he has blown by me.

What I'm trying to say is that with bolt ons you can keep up, you'll extend your amount you keep up, maybe up to 100 you'll be able to keep up with full bolt ons, but all motor, the bigger engine will pull ahead hard past triple digits. Always.


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a STOCK Track Pack GT with a professional driver 1/4 miles at 13 flat at 111 mph. That's 3.73 gears, summer P Zeros, suspension, etc...
(Car and Driver, Road and Track, and Motor Trend all got the same results.)

Z28th1s, a very experienced driver/racer, his V6 Mustang ran 12.63 at 108.86 Completely NA, but plenty of Mods, and the one clear difference is Z was running drag slicks which are worth around .25 second of time.
So it's possible NA, specially if you're a good driver and their not. But remember most Mustang drivers mod not just you, so pray the 5.0 is bone stock and he's a bad driver.

So look at the 1/4 mile list, start modding and practicing at the track.
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-100-125 shot of nitrous
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From ~$500 - ~$15,000

Road course? (everything below)

-LCA's
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-Upgraded front and rear sway bars
-Sticky, wide square setup... Think 275/40/18 or 275/40/19 and some >200 treadwear tires on a lightweight race wheel (think Enkei RPF1). NO staggered setup

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New off the lot my car ran 12.7 with me driving and I am Not a professional.
That's pretty amazing! Motor Trend has an outlier time of 12.9 in one of their GT tests with their pro driver. But MT often boasts better times to sell more magazines. I'd also love to see that time slip on a stock green motor.

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