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I was able to get 5 runs in with both the bama tune first and then the MPT tune. Needless to say, I was disappointed in my times with both tunes.

I'll post up the full results some time tomorrow when I can sort through everything and voice my experience. The verdict is that MPT is the consistently quicker tune!

MPT Race Performance
60'-2.187
330-5.862
1/8- [email protected] 81.01
1/4- 13.707 @ 101.55

Bama 93H Datalogged
60'- 2.012
330-5.801
1/8-8.888 @ 79.64
1/4- 13.760 @ 100.45

As you can see, I did have a lot of traction problems with the MPT tune off the line. The MPT tune had me spinning about twice the distance of the bama tune, and 2nd gear nearly landed me sideways on the wall. The acceleration with the MPT tune off the line was SO aggressive, I could feel my rear end dipping down. It barked 1-2 and chirped 2-3 shifts. The tune had some problems however. For some reason, MPT was skipping gears. I was WOT and at the 2-3 shift in Drive, the MPT tune shifted me to 4th instead of 3rd. Then it shifted me back down to 3rd once the computer realized what the F was going on. That caused me to run a 14.768 @ 95. This happened to me test driving the tune before heading to the track as well. I was forced to complete the rest of my MPT runs by manually shifting, which worked fine.

The bama tune in contrast seemed to be much more composed and easier to control. Unfortunately, the shifting compared to MPT felt slow and relaxed. I definitely felt more power throughout the entire RPM range with MPT. When the bama tune shifts, it is almost as if power cuts out and then kicks back in slowly. MPT had continuous power flow throughout all the shifts.

Regarding both tunes, I had a ton of shift flaring. This may just be because I swapped the tunes. My car JUST got out the shop from 11-11-11 TSB with brand new solenoids yet it still flares stock or tuned. I'm not quite sure why it's still flaring, but it affected both MPT and bama (bama being affected worse).

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Thanks for the info, look forward to the full report if you have more to offer. Also, what's shift flaring?

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Thanks for the info, look forward to the full report if you have more to offer. Also, what's shift flaring?
Shift flaring is when your car goes to shift and the RPM's raise or "flare up" before they decrease into the next higher up gear.

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Shift flaring is when your car goes to shift and the RPM's raise or "flare up" before they decrease into the next higher up gear.
lol, double clutching the auto?

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Good to hear. Strange to hear about the transmission though, I've had tunes that do that also but not my MPT tune.

Funny how your MPT was worse in the 1/8 but ran it down.
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Time was worse in the 1/8th because of traction issues at launch, it ran the Bama tune down because of power advantages- atleast that's what i'm seeing in that data...
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I was able to get 5 runs in with both the bama tune first and then the MPT tune. Needless to say, I was disappointed in my times with both tunes.

I'll post up the full results some time tomorrow when I can sort through everything and voice my experience. The verdict is that MPT is the consistently quicker tune!

MPT Race Performance
60'-2.187
330-5.862
1/8- [email protected] 81.01
1/4- 13.707 @ 101.55

Bama 93H Datalogged
60'- 2.012
330-5.801
1/8-8.888 @ 79.64
1/4- 13.760 @ 100.45

As you can see, I did have a lot of traction problems with the MPT tune off the line. The MPT tune had me spinning about twice the distance of the bama tune, and 2nd gear nearly landed me sideways on the wall. The acceleration with the MPT tune off the line was SO aggressive, I could feel my rear end dipping down. It barked 1-2 and chirped 2-3 shifts. The tune had some problems however. For some reason, MPT was skipping gears. I was WOT and at the 2-3 shift in Drive, the MPT tune shifted me to 4th instead of 3rd. Then it shifted me back down to 3rd once the computer realized what the F was going on. That caused me to run a 14.768 @ 95. This happened to me test driving the tune before heading to the track as well. I was forced to complete the rest of my MPT runs by manually shifting, which worked fine.

The bama tune in contrast seemed to be much more composed and easier to control. Unfortunately, the shifting compared to MPT felt slow and relaxed. I definitely felt more power throughout the entire RPM range with MPT. When the bama tune shifts, it is almost as if power cuts out and then kicks back in slowly. MPT had continuous power flow throughout all the shifts.

Regarding both tunes, I had a ton of shift flaring. This may just be because I swapped the tunes. My car JUST got out the shop from 11-11-11 TSB with brand new solenoids yet it still flares stock or tuned. I'm not quite sure why it's still flaring, but it affected both MPT and bama (bama being affected worse).
Despite MPT edging out the Bama tune, the results are very telling and confirm what many MPT tuned car owners are saying. Bama supposedly worked really hard and even posted in here how they worked a special tune for you, but the out of the box MPT tune still beat it. What happens after a couple MPT datalogs? Or maybe it's already optimized if Bama has worked their magic, getting close to the MPT numbers.
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From what you guys are saying... the MPT tune sound quite dangerous . i dont want to be at a red light and then launch into the car next to me... i guess bama it is :/
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From what you guys are saying... the MPT tune sound quite dangerous . i dont want to be at a red light and then launch into the car next to me... i guess bama it is :/
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Regarding both tunes, I had a ton of shift flaring. This may just be because I swapped the tunes. My car JUST got out the shop from 11-11-11 TSB with brand new solenoids yet it still flares stock or tuned. I'm not quite sure why it's still flaring, but it affected both MPT and bama (bama being affected worse).
Sounds like you data-logged sent that to Bama as basis for the tune(s) you were returned... and then changed the car having the TSB done after the fact... Those solenoids obviously effect the transmissions shifting and as such bring the prior data logs into question.

IF you had data logged after the solenoid changes would Bama have been better than what you experienced? One could make a guess here...

In any experiment you have to have a control the "constant". You can't change things mid test (Like doing the TSB after the data logs)

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Sounds good!

The last tune Ryan sent is very fast and firm on the shift..and I'm picky.

I talked to MPT a while back and they wanted more than $75 due to my stall converter low rpm shudder (common problem on a multi disc converter). Which is fine. I was thinking about a dyno tune with MPT but I'll wait and see what happens with JLP's tune first. On the Bama tune, I could tell he raised the line pressure in the transmission and it actually helped the low rpms cruise shudder, on top of the part throttle shift mph's being raised to keep me no lower than 1500 up in 4,5, and 6. That could use a little more tweaking to get those rpms higher. Just need the car to let go of those gears. Everything is great slowly speeding up...it's when you slow down, the rpms come down, then you slowly accel again and it hangs onto the gear pulling no lower than 1500 instead of downshifting to keep the rpms around 2k after lockup.
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From what you guys are saying... the MPT tune sound quite dangerous . i dont want to be at a red light and then launch into the car next to me... i guess bama it is :/
Keep the traction control on and you'll be fine.
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So I went ahead and averaged all the timeslips for bama and MPT. Do take note that I did not launch off idle as I initially posted. I brake stalled to 2k RPM's, then floored it.

Bama Averages-
60'- 2.114
330- 5.967
1/8- 9.053 @ 79.62 mph
1/4- 13.93 @ 100.30 mph

MPT Averages-
60'- 2.1995
330-5.959
1/8-9.018 @ 80.76 mph
1/4-13.85 @ 101.72

The 1000 ft times were not given. It is clear to see that MPT is making the most power, but not by that much. Had I been using slicks or something other than stock suspension, I think MPT would have shined a lot more than it did. I do plan on giving MPT and bama both another chance to datalog and tune the car, however, those datalogs will be street datalogs, and not track datalogs.


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