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Where to start with suspension?

Recently I was debating throwing some money at headers, but after ALL of the forum trolling, I have come to the conclusion when I do want them, I will get shorties, but for now I will hold off on more power. I really need to start work on my suspension... No point in power if I can't keep the tires hooked up.

I am thinking of going sway bars for now (I don't want to get anything I can't install myself). I am looking at the Eibach sways, not sure if I need adjustable or not though. Is this a "good" place to start? I have 100% stock base model suspension and tires, and I do plan on getting some rims and good rubber when my tires ware out, but no real point until then. Eventually I do want full suspension, but that is a long way a lot of money away.

I guess the question is, is there another suspension mod I should do first that would make a bigger everyday difference? Or a different brand that is known to be better? I am pretty new at suspension, and its a bit harder than power mods...


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Wait, you first talk about not being able to hook the power up but then you talk about sway bars, sway bars won't do much for traction.

If you want to put all the car's power down then rear control arms and tires are what that takes.

And if it is just handling you want, then tires are first on the list, then lowering and sway bars.


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Wait, you first talk about not being able to hook the power up but then you talk about sway bars, sway bars won't do much for traction.

If you want to put all the car's power down then rear control arms and tires are what that takes.

And if it is just handling you want, then tires are first on the list, then lowering and sway bars.
I agree. The stock rear lca's are flimsy stamped pieces that are prone to flexing. Aftermarket lca's are much more substantial parts and are a relatively inexpensive mod. My BMR lcas more or less cured my wheel hop, letting me get better traction. It will still hop on a wet surface occasionally, but I think that might have more to do with my current tires than anything.

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Sorry, didn't mean hook up on launches. I meant stay flatter through cornering. I agree, LCA will be a needed upgrade, that is pretty inexpensive, but I am talking more about overall handling and body role reduction.

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I agree. The stock rear lca's are flimsy stamped pieces that are prone to flexing. Aftermarket lca's are much more substantial parts and are a relatively inexpensive mod. My BMR lcas more or less cured my wheel hop, letting me get better traction. It will still hop on a wet surface occasionally, but I think that might have more to do with my current tires than anything.

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Actually more about bushing stiffness than stiffness of the arms themselves.

And an upper arm would finish curing all your wheel hop issues.



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Sorry, didn't mean hook up on launches. I meant stay flatter through cornering. I agree, LCA will be a needed upgrade, that is pretty inexpensive, but I am talking more about overall handling and body role reduction.
Answer is still tires first, sway bars second for handling.

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Actually more about bushing stiffness than stiffness of the arms themselves.

And an upper arm would finish curing all your wheel hop issues.





Answer is still tires first, sway bars second for handling.
Sorry it was late and I was dozing off lol. This too. The bushings on the BMR units are polyurethane unlike the rubber bushing of the stock units. MUCH stiffer. Minimal increase in NVH but a much more planted feel.

I'll get around to a UCA eventually. Next mod will probably be shorties though, once we get to see what the Mac shorties for the 3.7 look like. Haven't been impressed with the quality of the BBK units.

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I did springs, struts, shocks, GT500 upper strut mounts, and a panhard bar all at once. It made a big difference. From what most people have said, aftermarket struts and shocks make a huge difference in the ride and stiffness. If you don't already have one, I felt a noticeable firmness when I added a Boss strut brace. However, mind didn't have one stock.

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Sorry it was late and I was dozing off lol. This too. The bushings on the BMR units are polyurethane unlike the rubber bushing of the stock units. MUCH stiffer. Minimal increase in NVH but a much more planted feel.

I'll get around to a UCA eventually. Next mod will probably be shorties though, once we get to see what the Mac shorties for the 3.7 look like. Haven't been impressed with the quality of the BBK units.

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Do the upper control arm first, the shorties just aren't going to make a big difference.

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Ok, so if I am planning to hold out on tires until I need new ones, which is probably 15-20k miles away, I should get the sway bar now as my first upgrade?

Also, the LCA do seem pretty enticing. Look really easy to install and are pretty cheap. They just mainly help on launching and wheel hop? And when everyone tells me it will fix wheel hop, as in how our solid rear axle likes to jump around when you hit a bump in a turn? Is that "wheel hop" that everyone refers to? Because that has gotten me almost killed more than once... Would love to get rid of that.

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Front and rear sway bars were the first mode I made. I couldn't stand the way the Stang took corners, or big curves. They made a HUGE difference. My car now corners nice and flat with very little body roll. Trust me, you'll really like what they do. I too have a base v6 with base tires. The best I think are Whiteline but those are really expensive. I have Eibachs and they work really nice. I got the adjustable but have yet to try other settings on them. Warning: Eibachs are kinda notorious for making a clunking sound at times.
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Front and rear sway bars were the first mode I made. I couldn't stand the way the Stang took corners, or big curves. They made a HUGE difference. My car now corners nice and flat with very little body roll. Trust me, you'll really like what they do. I too have a base v6 with base tires. The best I think are Whiteline but those are really expensive. I have Eibachs and they work really nice. I got the adjustable but have yet to try other settings on them. Warning: Eibachs are kinda notorious for making a clunking sound at times.
Awesome! Thanks for the input. And what do you mean by clunking? That doesn't sound good...

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Ok, so if I am planning to hold out on tires until I need new ones, which is probably 15-20k miles away, I should get the sway bar now as my first upgrade?

Also, the LCA do seem pretty enticing. Look really easy to install and are pretty cheap. They just mainly help on launching and wheel hop? And when everyone tells me it will fix wheel hop, as in how our solid rear axle likes to jump around when you hit a bump in a turn? Is that "wheel hop" that everyone refers to? Because that has gotten me almost killed more than once... Would love to get rid of that.
That's not the wheel hop I'm referring to, although it did help that a little. Shocks struts and springs will help more in that area.

Wheel hop like what I'm talking about happens when you launch and you're spinning but on the cusp of getting traction. Basically it's causing the rear suspension to load and unload in rapid succession which in turn makes the axle jump up and down. Its fairly hard on the drive line and I've seen axles and diffs destroyed from it.

That's about as good as I can explain it. It'd be easier if I could just show you lol. Not too great at explaining things like that.

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according to a conversation i had with vorshlag (running top 3 in both scca and nasa in their REGION in both autocross and road courses)...

biggest difference you can make to the s197 is by moving to 18x10's square

behind that, lower control arm BRACKETS make the most significant difference above all other suspension mods on these cars.

nobody in the world knows more about putting the power down than vorslag

springs and shocks and plates. they of course, recommend their monotube setup which has all 3. bilstein dampers.

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Yea, I didn't realized that is what you meant by wheel hop. I don't hard launch often but when I have I definitely have experienced that.

So I should look into LCA's as well as relocation brackets for them? Would it be more beneficial to get the relocation brackets and use the stock arms or get better arms first? Assuming I can only afford one at a time?

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LCAs should be one of the first mods, and they absolutely DO help in cornering, as well as the launch.

Swaybars are a great upgrade, but in my opinion, they're farther down the list... after LCAs, springs, shocks, struts, etc.

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