Again, thanks and appreciate the additional comments. This helps my decision and will give me background when I rent one to test. The rental will most likely be a V-6 and most likely will not be Brembo equipted but hopefully will give me an idea of its' ability. Interesting how it compared to the BMW. MAK, thanks. I will order a Brembo package as well and also plan to lower. If you do lower, please post a topic about lowering a vert so others can benefit from it. Will be interesting to see just how much it helps.