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Do y’all think that the braided brake lines/hoses are worth the extra money vs a new rubber set? They look cool, but I don’t think they can be seen very well on my rig.
The price gap would be around $50 I think.
These J&M’s claim to have coating so “slick it blows the dot tests out of the water.” What tests? Your hose must be X amount of smoothness? Y’all ever have the guy at the sticker station stroke your hose to check for bumps? The last time they did mine fluid went everywhere as soon as they touched it...
Should I get “magic” brake hoses or go oem? Everyone has improved pedal feel after a brake job. I bet not too many have done lines only. Someone do an experiment to see if they’re ligit or not. Replace a fresh set of rubbers with stainless and see if you can notice the difference. At the end of the day maybe sometimes a gimmick is worth an extra fifty bucks. I dunno.
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J&M has another set that is not Teflon lined and it apparently doesn’t blow the dot tests away because they don’t mention it.

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They do look pretty sweet, and I hear good things about what they do for pedal feel. But I don't like how the braid obscures the hose. I prefer hoses that I can inspect for cracking and such.


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But I don't like how the braid obscures the hose. I prefer hoses that I can inspect for cracking and such.
Yeah, I didn’t think about that.
Maybe good ole fashioned rubber for the win?
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Maybe. I mean those stainless hoses are supposed to be a really nice upgrade, and I don't want to discredit that. But I'm the kind of guy who would rather not wait for the hose to suddenly burst. I want to see warning signs first. That's kind of a deal-breaker for me.

I wonder how long-term owners handle this. Are you supposed to simply replace them every few (5? 10?) years as a maintenance item?

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Maybe. I mean those stainless hoses are supposed to be a really nice upgrade, and I don't want to discredit that. But I'm the kind of guy who would rather not wait for the hose to suddenly burst. I want to see warning signs first. That's kind of a deal-breaker for me.

I wonder how long-term owners handle this. Are you supposed to simply replace them every few (5? 10?) years as a maintenance item?
Mine has the original hoses and fluid..
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Yeah, OE rubber hoses are typically good for a couple of decades if not abused, so one would hope that the SS hoses last that long as well. Hard to find info on their actual long-term durability, though. FWIW, this StopTech page states that "hoses without the [clear polymeric] coating [over the braid] should be inspected and replaced on a more frequent basis."

I'm not sure how in-depth the inspection they're talking about is (probably just a quick visual since there's not much to see anyway), but the part about replacing them on a "more frequent basis" is interesting.

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Yeah, OE rubber hoses are typically good for a couple of decades if not abused, so one would hope that the SS hoses last that long as well. Hard to find info on their actual long-term durability, though. FWIW, this StopTech page states that "hoses without the [clear polymeric] coating [over the braid] should be inspected and replaced on a more frequent basis."
I'm not sure how in-depth the inspection they're talking about is (probably just a quick visual since there's not much to see anyway), but the part about replacing them on a "more frequent basis" is interesting.
Good find. My brake lines aren’t bad, but since they’re old they might as well be replaced.
I guess they’re worried the metal lines will rub a hole in themselves? Quality control might be better with the higher end hoses than say a set of autozone rubbers though. With all the mass produced rebranded stuff I’m often leery that the aftermarket oem equivalents are of lesser quality than my old oem’s.
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I put SS braided lines on my motorcycles, but couldn't prove a difference in braking performance if I were pressed. One of them had great brakes before the new lines...the other could be counted on to slow down when the brakes were applied. As a single brake modification on a "street" car, I probably would not spend the extra money.

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I put SS braided lines on my motorcycles, but couldn't prove a difference in braking performance if I were pressed. One of them had great brakes before the new lines...the other could be counted on to slow down when the brakes were applied. As a single brake modification on a "street" car, I probably would not spend the extra money.
Thanks man, kinda what I suspected. I need to do a brake job and fluid flush so I was contemplating getting stainless. But if you can’t feel a difference with your finger I doubt I will with my leg.
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SS hoses server one purpose IMHO, in conditions where the hoses are exposed to the high potential of failure due to physical damage (rock climbing, racing, etc.) and should not be employed in street type conditions. 1) Visual damage/failure cannot be seen, 2) replacement is required typically on a 5 year basis because of this.


As far as pedal pressure, any good high quality hose (as compared to the oem units up through the early 90's) will have almost as much rigidity to expansion as the SS hoses do..... simply upgrading the fluid will do amazing things!

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replacement is required typically on a 5 year basis because of this.
5 years! No kidding... huh.

Couldn't help but notice you used the word "required" there- sounds like more than just a rule of thumb... Is that a racing rule? Longevity estimate from a manufacturer?

Either way, I'm sure that it's a conservative figure, erring on the side of safety. My own googling came up with a rule of thumb saying to replace rubber hoses every 6 years (some say 5-6, some say 6-8). I'm not sure where those numbers originate from. I probably wouldn't follow such a schedule anyway. I'd just judge the interior condition of the hose by inspecting its exterior. Besides, 6 years is far less than OE rubber has been proven to last...

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5 years! No kidding... huh.

Couldn't help but notice you used the word "required" there- sounds like more than just a rule of thumb... Is that a racing rule? Longevity estimate from a manufacturer?

Either way, I'm sure that it's a conservative figure, erring on the side of safety. My own googling came up with a rule of thumb saying to replace rubber hoses every 6 years (some say 5-6, some say 6-8). I'm not sure where those numbers originate from. I probably wouldn't follow such a schedule anyway. I'd just judge the interior condition of the hose by inspecting its exterior. Besides, 6 years is far less than OE rubber has been proven to last...
The mfg's have used that for years...as printed in the very fine print on their product labels or references

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Who has the best rubbers?
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The mfg's have used that for years...as printed in the very fine print on their product labels or references
Product labels? Never seen anything like that on replacement part packaging. Nor have I come across that sort of thing in owners manuals, maintenance schedules, repair manuals, or Monroney stickers. What documents are you referring to?
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Good video.
Can't say I've experimented with many brands, but FWIW I gravitate towards Raybestos Pro Grade.

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The mfg's have used that for years...as printed in the very fine print on their product labels or references
Product labels? Never seen anything like that on replacement part packaging. Nor have I come across that sort of thing in owners manuals, maintenance schedules, repair manuals, or Monroney stickers. What documents are you referring to?
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Good video.
Can't say I've experimented with many brands, but FWIW I gravitate towards Raybestos Pro Grade.
Thanks, I’ll look into Ray.
That guy made another video where he adds a $2,500 titanium cat-back to an s2000. It was 35 lbs lighter than the stock one. It gained 2 hp and reduced his e/t by a few thousandths... $2,500!
$11, now we’re talking https://www.carid.com/raybestos/prof...n-bh38372.html

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